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Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:38 pm to ell_13
Working and hunting, should be around more often for the stretch run.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:43 pm to bfniii
quote:I've put forth arguments. Plenty of them. Did you not read them? I wouldn't be surprised if you ignored them or couldn't understand them. It'd be par for the course for you in this thread.
Your laughy emoticons don't really constitute an actual position.
quote:Did you not see my first response to this? The only thing you missed on was facilities. Arkansas, USC... easily better. Florida State is really close. And many other programs are going through renovations. State has had suites for years! You think LSU is the first? You think attendance constitutes "best"? Have you been underneath Alex Box? Into the training room? The locker room? The game room? I have. It's all up at the top. I said top 10. Clearly. Not the best.
Name the programs that are more elite than lsu and list your criteria. Name the programs that have better facilities than lsu. Name the programs that have more money and more exposure than lsu.
And did you miss where I said this has little relevance thanks to who we are competing with for players? Remember that argument? No emoticons there. What's your excuse?
quote:No shite. That doesn't make success predictable. For any program.
it's also a fact that all of the top programs have to navigate those waters.
quote:It's a laughable one... hence the laughing. College basketball is such a different dynamic. Between how important a couple players can be to the 1-year and done rule. The comparison was a fricking joke and you should feel bad and embarrassed for using it.
it's called an analogy.
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:45 pm to MOT
quote:
should be around more often for the stretch run.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:47 pm to bfniii
quote:
Lsu pours more money into the program and makes more than basically everybody. Yet lsu hasn't even won 1 game in Omaha since '09. Continuing to repeat the decade argument doesn't make it true.
Ole Miss, USC, State, and Arkansas all make very comparable investments in baseball, and that's just in the SEC. Outside of USC, who would you want to trade places with? What coach has done a more "acceptable" job giving his university an "adequate return on their investment" ? Just stop.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:49 pm to lsufball19
average fans are dumb
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:51 pm to MOT
quote:
Is that any different than the current philosophy?
Not really. Taking pitches and working the count is not part of our philosophy.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 2:02 pm to Choupique19
Since 2007 (PM's first year), Only 1 team has gone to the CWS more than 3 times: UNC. They don't have a championship.
Many teams have been 3 times:
LSU (1 Championship)
Arizona State
Florida
Louisville
USCe (2 Championships)
Texas
Florida State
UCLA (1 Championship)
Virginia
Many teams have been 3 times:
LSU (1 Championship)
Arizona State
Florida
Louisville
USCe (2 Championships)
Texas
Florida State
UCLA (1 Championship)
Virginia
Posted on 5/5/15 at 2:06 pm to ell_13
But but but but ,,,, the most elite baseball team in america should have 7 championships in that time period.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 2:46 pm to LSUTygerFan
CPM is one of only 8 active coaches with over 1200 wins
Posted on 5/5/15 at 3:38 pm to Choctaw
The simple fact is Pawl is just as equal to Les than most people want to admit if not more. Miles micromanages so does Pawl. Miles can't get a QB. Pawl can't teach base running. Pawl is a great coach and has the program headed in the right direction. Yet Mikes has 2 titles and another appearance. Pawl of the big three sports should be the first on the list to be ran out of town IF any of them should be. Total average coach with his pick of players from across the nation and the results to back that statement. LSU is the DUKE of baseball period and Pawl isn't winning shite with it.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 3:42 pm to LSUTygerFan
LSUTygerfan, you are 1000% correct. Tiger fans ranting against CPM remind me of bama fans who are constantly ripped here for their arrogance as regards to their expectations for their football team. These LSU fans who knocking CPM for not winning enough "meaningful games" are the clones of Alabama football fans. Look at all the ups & downs of the various programs in the SEC recently. All CPM is keep on winning, year in, year out. The hawgs, dawgs, black bears, even good ol' ULLLLLLL have made spashes, for one year, and have all faded back into the pack.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 3:48 pm to goatman1419
quote:
The simple fact is Pawl is just as equal to Les than most people want to admit if not more. Miles micromanages so does Pawl. Miles can't get a QB. Pawl can't teach base running. Pawl is a great coach and has the program headed in the right direction. Yet Mikes has 2 titles and another appearance. Pawl of the big three sports should be the first on the list to be ran out of town IF any of them should be. Total average coach with his pick of players from across the nation and the results to back that statement. LSU is the DUKE of baseball period and Pawl isn't winning shite with it.
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 5/5/15 at 6:31 pm to jptiger2009
I say fire the entire athletics department,coaches etc. and totally start over from scratch. There's no excuse for those kind of results!!!!!
Posted on 5/5/15 at 7:05 pm to ell_13
quote:no, you posted a childish emoticon when i stated that lsu's facilities are 2nd to none. if you disagree, name the schools that have better facilities than lsu. and while you're at it, include the combination of exposure, income, etc.
I've put forth arguments.
quote:you are incorrect.
Arkansas, USC... easily better
quote:based on what?
Florida State is really close
quote:none of them better than lsu. pretty much none of them equal to lsu. essentially none equal to lsu in all factors.
And many other programs are going through renovations
quote:this has nothing to do with the baseball being played on the field. good grief
State has had suites for years!
quote:did i say that? no.
You think attendance constitutes "best"?
quote:yes i have and you are wrong. there is no school that is better and only a literal handful are as good. moreover, that doesn't include all the other factors i have listed that put lsu at the forefront of the elite.
Have you been underneath Alex Box? Into the training room? The locker room? The game room? I have. It's all up at the top. I said top 10. Clearly. Not the best.
quote:no excuse. i told you that all top schools fight that battle. it's not an excuse for lsu not even making it to omaha like you are making it out to be
What's your excuse?
quote:i didn't say it did. you're trying to say that it's a reason why lsu sometimes doesn't make omaha. it's a dumb point.
That doesn't make success predictable.
quote:the "dynmaic" isn't in question. the fact that elite basketball programs make a certain level of the tourney regularly is the analogy and it's a correct one. elite baseball teams should make omaha more often than lsu has the last 5 years. it's a facile point but i see you don't get it.
College basketball is such a different dynamic. Between how important a couple players can be to the 1-year and done rule. The comparison was a fricking joke and you should feel bad and embarrassed for using it.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 7:09 pm to lsufball19
quote:why do we have to trade places? the premier program should have more than 0 omaha wins in 6 years.
Outside of USC, who would you want to trade places with?
Posted on 5/5/15 at 7:30 pm to ell_13
quote:this is of course misleading because the subject is the 5 year trend, which is not good.
Since 2007
in the last 5 years, texas tech, uc irvine, indiana, cal, kent st and stony brook (ouch) all have as many cws appearances. now it's clear that some of these teams are much more hampered by various factors than lsu and pretty much none of them are anywhere near lsu in terms of investment in the sport.
ucla, scar and fla have been 3 times! louisville, tcu, texas, vandy, unc, virginia and fla st have all been twice. clearly, these schools are getting a commensurate return on their investment and are where lsu should be. essentially, lsu isn't even in the top 10 in postseason results over the last 5 years. lsu should be in the top 10 and close to, if not in, the top 5. the longer the sample size, the closer to #1 lsu should be.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 7:30 pm to LSUTygerFan
quote:yes, that's what i've been saying all along. 10 championships in 9 years.
the most elite baseball team in america should have 7 championships in that time period
Posted on 5/5/15 at 7:36 pm to bfniii
quote:
elite baseball teams should make omaha more often than lsu has the last 5 years.
So what should we do? What needs to be done? How can we ensure we make it to Omaha the requisite amounts per 5 years to your liking?
Posted on 5/5/15 at 7:36 pm to goatman1419
quote:i'm not sure i agree with this. miles has had a 10 year run almost unequaled in sec history, in a much much more competitive era than his superiors had to deal with (except saban who coached in the same era). sec baseball is also brutally competitive but, mainieri isn't even in the top 10 in postseason results in the last 5 years.
Pawl is just as equal to Les than most people want to admit
quote:now this is essentially my point. i listed the most elite postseason teams over the last 5 seasons and there is no reason why lsu shouldn't be on that list or at the top of it.
LSU is the DUKE of baseball period and Pawl isn't winning shite with it.
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