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the easy part about trashing Miles
Posted on 11/13/09 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 11/13/09 at 1:15 pm
eventually, you'll be proven correct
the chances of him retiring as LSU's head coach after long and prosperous career filled with 9 & 10 win seasons is slim....as it is for every coach
so, bang on miles, eventually you'll be able to say, "see, i told you so"
Uf under Meyer had a 5 loss season, look at OU under Stoops when he was some qb issues, Mack had trouble winning the big game, Tressel was on the hot seat a few weeks back, Carrol leads the most underproducing team in the country
meanwhile Miles has LSU (likely) to go 17-7, ranked in the top 8 in the BCS after a HORRIBLE qb situation.
Miles is a top 20 coach with top 5-10 talent....every year. You always need luck to win titles (no matter who you are) and he'll catch some luck every now and then LSU will compete for nat'l tiles. When he doesn't, I'll take 9/10 win seasons with the occasional down year when things fall apart with 7 wins.
the chances of him retiring as LSU's head coach after long and prosperous career filled with 9 & 10 win seasons is slim....as it is for every coach
so, bang on miles, eventually you'll be able to say, "see, i told you so"
Uf under Meyer had a 5 loss season, look at OU under Stoops when he was some qb issues, Mack had trouble winning the big game, Tressel was on the hot seat a few weeks back, Carrol leads the most underproducing team in the country
meanwhile Miles has LSU (likely) to go 17-7, ranked in the top 8 in the BCS after a HORRIBLE qb situation.
Miles is a top 20 coach with top 5-10 talent....every year. You always need luck to win titles (no matter who you are) and he'll catch some luck every now and then LSU will compete for nat'l tiles. When he doesn't, I'll take 9/10 win seasons with the occasional down year when things fall apart with 7 wins.
This post was edited on 11/13/09 at 1:17 pm
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Posted on 11/13/09 at 1:17 pm to LSUfan4444
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Uf under Meyer had a 5 loss season
That's a negative, sportsfan.
Posted on 11/13/09 at 1:18 pm to LSUfan4444
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LSUfan4444
Agreed. But I think the Miles bashers feel like they need to be right about something in their pathetic lives, so I just ignore them most of the time - you don't want to be the one who adds the straw that breaks the camel's back on these guys.
Posted on 11/13/09 at 1:18 pm to LSUfan4444
4 of 5 years with 10 or more wins. How can anybody complain about that?
Posted on 11/13/09 at 1:19 pm to Craig Ferguson
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Uf under Meyer had a 5 loss season
4 losses right?
Posted on 11/13/09 at 1:20 pm to biglego
9-4 in '07
Posted on 11/13/09 at 1:21 pm to LSUfan4444
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Miles is a top 20 coach with top 5-10 talent
I suppose some fans would like to see a top 5-10 coach with this top 5-10 talent. Esp since Miles is paid like a top 1-5 coach.
Posted on 11/13/09 at 1:26 pm to biglego
1. Pete Carroll, USC $4,400,000
2. Charlie Weis, Notre Dame $4,200,000
3. Urban Meyer, Florida $4,000,000
4. Nick Saban, Alabama $3,900,000
5. Bob Stoops, Oklahoma $3,800,000
6. Les Miles, LSU $3,800,000
7. Jim Tressel, Ohio State $3,500,000
8. Kirk Ferentz, Iowa $3,030,000
9. Mack Brown, Texas $2,910,000
10. Bobby Petrino, Arkansas $2,900,000
11. Mark Richt, Georgia $2,900,000
T12. Rich Rodriguez, Michigan $2,500,000
T12. Bobby Bowden, Florida State $2,500,000
T12. Gary Pinkel, Missouri $2,500,000
T12. Houston Nutt, Ole Miss $2,500,000
T16. Mark Mangino, Kansas $2,300,000
T16. Paul Johnson, Georgia Tech $2,300,000
18. Greg Schiano, Rutgers $2,250,000
T19. Frank Beamer, Virginia Tech $2,100,000
T19. Butch Davis, North Carolina $2,100,00
Who under Miles has had a better career at their present school? I would argue that he is a top 6 coach.
2. Charlie Weis, Notre Dame $4,200,000
3. Urban Meyer, Florida $4,000,000
4. Nick Saban, Alabama $3,900,000
5. Bob Stoops, Oklahoma $3,800,000
6. Les Miles, LSU $3,800,000
7. Jim Tressel, Ohio State $3,500,000
8. Kirk Ferentz, Iowa $3,030,000
9. Mack Brown, Texas $2,910,000
10. Bobby Petrino, Arkansas $2,900,000
11. Mark Richt, Georgia $2,900,000
T12. Rich Rodriguez, Michigan $2,500,000
T12. Bobby Bowden, Florida State $2,500,000
T12. Gary Pinkel, Missouri $2,500,000
T12. Houston Nutt, Ole Miss $2,500,000
T16. Mark Mangino, Kansas $2,300,000
T16. Paul Johnson, Georgia Tech $2,300,000
18. Greg Schiano, Rutgers $2,250,000
T19. Frank Beamer, Virginia Tech $2,100,000
T19. Butch Davis, North Carolina $2,100,00
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I suppose some fans would like to see a top 5-10 coach with this top 5-10 talent. Esp since Miles is paid like a top 1-5 coach.
Who under Miles has had a better career at their present school? I would argue that he is a top 6 coach.
Posted on 11/13/09 at 1:34 pm to Fratastic423
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2. Charlie Weis, Notre Dame $4,200,000
What a bargain!
Posted on 11/13/09 at 1:35 pm to LSUfan4444
+1000
Posted on 11/13/09 at 1:45 pm to aglandry
yeah, my bad on the UF 5 loss thing
to be honest, accuracy wasn't what i was going for there...4/5 the point remains the same
Urban lost 4 games with a heisman qb, MIles lost 5 and 2 (likely) with basically no, and very pedestrian qb play
I mean, you could sit here and basically rag on Carroll and Stoops the same way...eventually, they'll probably prove you right too
College football isn't littered with coaches right now who'll go out like bear bryant...most of these guys (even the ones you think are elite) will likely end up being fired or forced out at some point
to be honest, accuracy wasn't what i was going for there...4/5 the point remains the same
Urban lost 4 games with a heisman qb, MIles lost 5 and 2 (likely) with basically no, and very pedestrian qb play
I mean, you could sit here and basically rag on Carroll and Stoops the same way...eventually, they'll probably prove you right too
College football isn't littered with coaches right now who'll go out like bear bryant...most of these guys (even the ones you think are elite) will likely end up being fired or forced out at some point
Posted on 11/13/09 at 1:48 pm to Fratastic423
OK, Miles is #6.
But I wouldnt limit the question to who has done better at their current school. The issue is who would do better with LSU's resources. I like Miles a lot, but I do think there are coaches that are able to accomplish a lot with less talent. Such as Kirk Ferentz, Kelley at Cincy, Petrino, Schiano, Paul Johnson, Harbaugh.
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Who under Miles has had a better career at their present school?
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Bobby Bowden
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Mack Brown
But I wouldnt limit the question to who has done better at their current school. The issue is who would do better with LSU's resources. I like Miles a lot, but I do think there are coaches that are able to accomplish a lot with less talent. Such as Kirk Ferentz, Kelley at Cincy, Petrino, Schiano, Paul Johnson, Harbaugh.
Posted on 11/13/09 at 1:48 pm to Bigtigah
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4 of 5 years with 10 or more wins. How can anybody complain about that?
Well, based on the shitstorm yesterday, Miles' teams don't win enough of the games that they're not supposed to win. Therefore, miles is merely a decent coach.
Or something like that.
Posted on 11/13/09 at 1:50 pm to LSUfan4444
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Urban lost 4 games with a heisman qb, MIles lost 5 and 2 (likely) with basically no, and very pedestrian qb play
I mean, you could sit here and basically rag on Carroll and Stoops the same way...eventually, they'll probably prove you right too
College football isn't littered with coaches right now who'll go out like bear bryant...most of these guys (even the ones you think are elite) will likely end up being fired or forced out at some point
+1
I agree, but there is a part of me that would like to see what Brian Kelly or Petrino could do with LSU talent.
Posted on 11/13/09 at 1:52 pm to biglego
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Who under Miles has had a better career at their present school?
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Bobby Bowden
would you take bowden over miles?
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Mack Brown
has only won with elite qb's.
Posted on 11/13/09 at 1:54 pm to biglego
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The issue is who would do better with LSU's resources.
Thats where I disagree
Almost all of the time, someone can probably do better, and not just LSU.
The issue is we're damn good. Can you want to be better, yes. But the knee jerk reactions are ridiculous.
Non LSU fans bashed MIles and said he won with Sabans talent, now, they'll all just keep tlaking about the Miles collapse about to happen....whenever that is, they'll say "see, i told you so"
LSU fans (and alot other schools as well) need to be more realistic and realize we have one of the best progranms in the country right now. That being said, we will still have years where we underproduce, and will have some where we overproduce. Winning nat'l titles takes luck, no matter how good you are.
We are at a level with recruting and in a conference where when we get a good enough team, our staff is good enough to give us an honest run at a title. Will it happen every time? probably not, but it won't for other people either.
Posted on 11/13/09 at 1:57 pm to LSUfan4444
well said.
Posted on 11/13/09 at 1:58 pm to LSUfan4444
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Can you want to be better, yes. But the knee jerk reactions are ridiculous.
+1
I dont want Miles to be fired, of course. I think he does a lot of things well and does not deserve to be fired anytime soon. But again, I think there are coaches that would do better and I cant help but wonder if another coach would have LSU rolling like Florida.
Posted on 11/13/09 at 1:59 pm to noonan
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has only won with elite qb's.
Check that: MB has won his only conf title, and subsequent natl title, with a once in a generation talent at QB. If he can pull it off this year as well, I think he becomes a truly elite coach in the company of Carroll or UM.
Posted on 11/13/09 at 2:01 pm to noonan
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would you take bowden over miles?
Of course not, but that wasnt the question. Bowden did better at FSU than Miles at LSU.
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Mack Brown
has only won with elite qb's.
Be that as it may, he has done better at Texas than Miles at LSU. I guess he has an eye for elite QBs, bc Texas has been rolling the last few years.
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