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re: Question about the QB situation at LSU.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 6:48 pm to beauchristopher
Posted on 4/30/14 at 6:48 pm to beauchristopher
quote:I don't know man. I can't complain about LSU football overall for the past 5 years, but to say there hasn't been a problem with the QB position? It does look to be on track with Cam though. I guess I just worry when I see Jennings struggle. I hope he grows a lot this summer. As much as I love Harris, a true freshman at quarterback, new receivers, that will mean a "rebuilding" year. I hope we don't see that. It would be nice if Harris could get at least a year to develop.
i don't really see the problem
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 6:56 pm to abellsujr
We just had a senior QB graduate and we finally got a real OC.
Guys are young, but they haven't even had time to prove their talent yet. Lets just see. I really do believe in Harris, not just because of the raw talent. I really like the mindset he brings.
Guys are young, but they haven't even had time to prove their talent yet. Lets just see. I really do believe in Harris, not just because of the raw talent. I really like the mindset he brings.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:04 pm to abellsujr
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why does the QB situation continue to be so perplexing.
Two Words . . . Les Miles has no clue how to evaluate that position (well, that's actually more than two words, so we'll stick with just Les Miles) And whats my proof you ask?
RP
JJ
Hatch
Jarrett Lee
Zach Lee
Jerrard Randall
Jeremy Liggins
Gunner Kiel
Rob Bolden
Russell Shepard
AJ
Chris Garrett
TC McCartney
Stephen Rivers
Rettig
The only success we've had at QB were either Saban recruits, or a JuCo transfer, IN TEN YEARS. Let that sink in
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:15 pm to League Champs
You got agenda and nothing you say will ever sink in.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:26 pm to White Tiger
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You forgot Zach Lee as well.
I was looking forward to seeing this guy play for us. Don't blame him for getting paid though.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:45 pm to League Champs
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Two Words . . . Les Miles has no clue how to evaluate that position (well, that's actually more than two words, so we'll stick with just Les Miles) And whats my proof you ask?
Ryan Perrilloux was the #1 QB in the nation coming out of HS (#2 to some behind Mark Sanchez). He had offers from every major school in the country. How is that a bad evaluation of talent?
Russell Shepard, same thing. #1 DL-QB in the nation. #7 overall recruit. Offers from EVERYBODY. How is that a bad evaluation of talent?
No matter how much study you do on a kid, you just never know how they will pan out. You don't know the kids intangible, his drive, his competitiveness, his maturity.
I don't disagree that our QB as a whole under Les Miles has been mediocre but a lot of that has been honestly bad luck. He's had some piss poor OCs here as well so that certainly didn't help. You saw with his Kragthorpe hire and now Cam Cameron that he has righted the ship as far as QBs go. QB recruits are showing much more interest now that Cam is here.
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Back to the original topic, QB guru George Harris stated "There isn't a QB in his class with his arm talent.
QB guru Craig Nall also had high praises:
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QB guru Craig Nall of QB1 Sports -- a former NFL teammate of mine who is still the Green Bay Packers’ record holder for most pass attempts in a season without an interception – has been working with the highly-touted freshman on his footwork from under center (three-, five- and seven-step drops, play-action bootlegs, etc.) since he did not use those mechanics much in the past. Harris is also working on putting touch on the ball and defensive recognition, among other details. “He is a dynamic player with a huge arm, incredible athleticism and an appetite for success,” Nall told me.
Nall noticed that Harris has gained a lot of respect from his teammates by performing well in his first spring and wouldn’t be surprised if he started in Week 1, which would certainly be the more buzz-worthy move for Les Miles. George Whitfield, another QB guru, has compared Harris to Jameis Winston.
The closer it gets to fall, the more I think that Harris starts game 1. Up until recently, I was sure it would be Jennings but now I'm thinking its 60-40 that Harris starts.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:01 pm to abellsujr
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As much as I love Harris, a true freshman at quarterback, new receivers, that will mean a "rebuilding" year. I hope we don't see that. It would be nice if Harris could get at least a year to develop
I wish people would get this out of their heads. Harris is a rare talent that will be ready this fall. He is the best QB on the roster.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:19 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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has compared Harris to Jameis Winston.
from a football standpoint only, I hope...
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:23 pm to ForeLSU
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has compared Harris to Jameis Winston.
Who doesn't love shellfish?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:38 pm to League Champs
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Les Miles has no clue how to evaluate that position
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:46 pm to bencoleman
quote:I hope you're right. He sure looked good against a top tier defense in the spring game. From what I saw, he runs better than Winston. Still would rather not have to see a true freshman at QB, but if Miles says he is in the lead to start, you must be right.
I wish people would get this out of their heads. Harris is a rare talent that will be ready this fall. He is the best QB on the roster.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:48 pm to League Champs
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es Miles has no clue how to evaluate that position
RP- was an all-conference caliber quarterback who couldn't keep his head out of his own arse. This one isn't on Les.
JJ & JL - Won a conference championship and played for a national title. They did just fine. Neither were world beaters, but they sure did win a lot.
Zach Lee- Lots of potential but got paid a lot of $$$. Can't blame either side for how this went down
Liggins and Gunner - never made it to campus. No idea how this could be put on Miles at all.
Tc McCartney - really? You went down to walkons to make your list?
AJ- could potentially be a 3 year starter. Lets not write him off just yet.
And you forgot to mention Harris, who by all accounts is an explosive playmaker in the making
Posted on 4/30/14 at 9:20 pm to tlsu15
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RP- was an all-conference caliber quarterback who couldn't keep his head out of his own arse. This one isn't on Les.
Pulling his switch at the last minute should have told Les all he needed to know (see Jantzen). Colt McCoy was looking for a home. Les passed on him
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but they sure did win a lot.
Uh, the defense sure did win a lot. 08 - 5 losses, 09 - 4 losses, 10 - would have been 4 losses, but Les pulled his starter in 2 games, 11 - Lee improved, JJ not so much
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Zach Lee
Like Gunner, trolled Les. Which supports my OP. He was using us in contract negotiations
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Liggins - never made it to campus.
You really want to recruit a QB with academic issues. Really? At QB?
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AJ- could potentially be a 3 year starter.
Passed up by a high school Sr. - per Les quote:
And you forgot to mention Harris
Again supports my OP. A high school Sr is the leading QB candidate, and you're all pumped despite his 39% completion percentage in a controlled scrimmage
And you didnt even remotely touch the fact that in 10 years Les is down to a high school senior as his go to guy. 10 years, zero development
Posted on 4/30/14 at 9:39 pm to League Champs
quote:Maybe, but he does evaluate and develop RBs, WRs, CBs, DTs, DEs, and Safeties pretty well. Guess you can't be great at everything.
Again supports my OP. A high school Sr is the leading QB candidate, and you're all pumped despite his 39% completion percentage in a controlled scrimmage
And you didnt even remotely touch the fact that in 10 years Les is down to a high school senior as his go to guy. 10 years, zero development
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 4/30/14 at 9:53 pm to abellsujr
abell, any body who could make me understand all this Qb stuff would. have my undying respect!
Posted on 4/30/14 at 10:18 pm to abellsujr
well, lets just take a look....Ryan Perrileaux, Jarrett Lee, Jordan Jefferson, all inadequate because of drugs, feet or arm, Mettenberger- who was and is the man - not so perplexing when you look at the facts. Brandon Harris will be the man for at least three years. we will excel at the qb position....
Posted on 4/30/14 at 10:59 pm to League Champs
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10 years, zero development
That's just an extreme statement and as with most extreme statements, it's silly to make and wrong.
While I believe the LSU QBs the last 6 yrs have been average to poor, but for Mett, there has been improvement in their play from their beginning here to their end. Anyone watching our QB's in 08 and 09 knows they improved in 2011. Anyone watching Mett in 2012 knows he improved in 2013.
If you are an LSU fan and you are not pumped by a true Fr. QB putting up almost 275 yds of total offense and 4 TDs in his 1st serious action in a spring scrimmage, then you are a true negative Nelly. imo
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:59 pm to Lonnie4LSU
We need Andrew Hatch back. (Damn I almost said hatchback).
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:08 am to Mshargois3
quote:He was the STARTER here for a couple of games. How in the hell did that happen.
We need Andrew Hatch back. (Damn I almost said hatchback).
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 12:16 am
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:55 am to League Champs
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RP JJ Hatch Jarrett Lee Zach Lee Jerrard Randall Jeremy Liggins Gunner Kiel Rob Bolden Russell Shepard AJ Chris Garrett TC McCartney Stephen Rivers Rettig
I wouldn't say Les Miles. I think the OCs/QB coaches were more the problem for this. Crowton couldn't evaluate and develop talent. Miles isn't a QB guy, hell he isn't really an offense guy. He played OL, but well, I'm not going to get into that
. I'm just happy we finally have a guy who knows this stuff like the back of his hand. Guys like Brees, Flacco, and Rivers didn't come in the league just dominating. He had to coach them up to NFL peak performance level. He picked these QBs out of college. He coached these guys up to top perfomers. He will do the same at LSU.
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