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re: Okay kids, if you will come up for air out of saban's lap
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:52 am to TigerFan128
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:52 am to TigerFan128
out of all those games how many did saben have poor clock management. he never made us the laughing stock of collage football.
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Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:54 am to THE DELL
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out of all those games how many did saben have poor clock management. he never made us the laughing stock of collage football.
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:55 am to TigerFan128
When all is said and done it's all about what happenes next weekend.We got a coach who had a horse shoe up his arse until Cam stole it. Maybe he can get it back. If he coaches like it's Ole Miss across the field instead of UofA we will look really hard to look at.
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:56 am to TheBob
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If you can't see the difference between Miles, and Saban, I'm a fricking bigger idiot for even wasting my time on this post.
well, you put OJ up there not me...so whatever that makes you i can't say.......as for intelligence...yeah, i have an mba from lsu....we tend to really analyze things and question things...instead of ignoring obvious facts. Saban came to a very talented team as is reflected in the number of pros from the team he inherited.
I see differences in styles.....wins/losses...not so much...with miles have the better of it..
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:57 am to big70
Tigerfan, I've read your post over the last week or so. You dimiss anyone who doesn't agree with you precieved wisdon on all matters football and I guess life. Let me tell you I have been a Miles supporter since his hire. I have been around long enough to see the ebb and flow of college football, and to know that Miles must make changes. The problem you run into and the problem I guess you are addressing when you say the "kids" and let me add I don't disagree is the extrmist who go to great lengths to bash Miles and the program they are supposed to support. What I'm telling you is people are frustrated and you can bring out all the records and stats you want it dosen't change where we are now. Which is 7-1 with a very poor looking offense which does not give LSU fans confidence we can beat the hated Saban. Spin it how you want but the Coaches have not to date done their job to improve this team on one side of the ball. Miles is accountable, I don't bash him constantly, I'm not calling for him to be fired, I'm calling for him to make the changes he needs to make to bring this team to where we want it to be. But with the recent history it does not look like he is the man to do it. That is my point he has lost the confidence in most of the fan base, if he beats Bama my mind will change, but lose and it only gets worse.
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:57 am to TigerFan128
TigerFan128 simple question for you:
How old are you?
How old are you?
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:59 am to TigerFanNKaty
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Okay kids, if you will come up for air out of saban's lap
Tigerfan, I've read your post over the last week or so. You dimiss anyone who doesn't agree with you precieved wisdon on all matters football and I guess life. Let me tell you I have been a Miles supporter since his hire. I have been around long enough to see the ebb and flow of college football, and to know that Miles must make changes. The problem you run into and the problem I guess you are addressing when you say the "kids" and let me add I don't disagree is the extrmist who go to great lengths to bash Miles and the program they are supposed to support. What I'm telling you is people are frustrated and you can bring out all the records and stats you want it dosen't change where we are now. Which is 7-1 with a very poor looking offense which does not give LSU fans confidence we can beat the hated Saban. Spin it how you want but the Coaches have not to date done their job to improve this team on one side of the ball. Miles is accountable, I don't bash him constantly, I'm not calling for him to be fired, I'm calling for him to make the changes he needs to make to bring this team to where we want it to be. But with the recent history it does not look like he is the man to do it. That is my point he has lost the confidence in most of the fan base, if he beats Bama my mind will change, but lose and it only gets worse.
that says everything about you if you change your opinion on one game after 6 years...good or bad. I simply point out facts.....i use facts to disagree with people....not opinion...my opinion is not worth a frick.....i'm not even a huge miles fan....but the facts...if you are intelligent and have reasoning ability...you can't ignore the facts which reflect the results of both coaches...no matter how differently they may have gotten them.
Posted on 10/30/10 at 10:02 am to TheBob
i can see where you would like shiny rims....all about image to you....miles kept his teams much more competitive in losses than saban over thier careers....miles sure as frick don't lose to uab's and ulm's etc.....
Posted on 10/30/10 at 10:02 am to TigerFanNKaty
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Spin it how you want but the Coaches have not to date done their job to improve this team on one side of the ball. Miles is accountable
The offense is extremely lacking and Miles needs to be accountable for that and I believe he has said thats on him. However the defense has gotten even better, and despite the passing game being worse they rebuilt the running game and made it really good-which is kinda shocking considering our passing game has gotten worse. See you gotta see the brightside-its nice to be a positiger
Unfortunately I think we are stuck until mettenberger gets here.
Posted on 10/30/10 at 10:03 am to big70
02, 04, 08, 09, 10 teams all have one thing in common. The QB play was bad. 02 was bad after mauck got hurt (marcus randall). 04 was bad because Mauck was supposed to stay for senior year and JR and Flynn would have been 3rd year QB's in 2005. 08 QB play was bad, but Defense was even worse. If Perrilloux had stayed, he still couldn't have helped that defense. We win maybe 1 more game that year. Everyone knows about last year and this year.
My point is that Saban has 1 loss in the regular season over the last 3 years. He isn't God, but the coaching ability isn't close between him and Miles. Self Deception is an awful thing, so take the blinders off.
My point is that Saban has 1 loss in the regular season over the last 3 years. He isn't God, but the coaching ability isn't close between him and Miles. Self Deception is an awful thing, so take the blinders off.
Posted on 10/30/10 at 10:04 am to TigerFan128
Ok so let me get this straight. You are 43 years old and have spent a good part of the entire week on TigerDroppings all day long calling people names and attacking them because they disagree with you on the LSU situation right now.
There are good points on both sides of the argument.
But yet you have the fricking nerve to call other people stupid and childish?
What exactly is your motivation for spending so much time on TigerDroppings this week? Do you feel like you are going to be the savior of the LSU nation? Because I have news for you, you're not that damn important.
In the words of your God, "have a Great Day! See ya"
There are good points on both sides of the argument.
But yet you have the fricking nerve to call other people stupid and childish?
What exactly is your motivation for spending so much time on TigerDroppings this week? Do you feel like you are going to be the savior of the LSU nation? Because I have news for you, you're not that damn important.
In the words of your God, "have a Great Day! See ya"
Posted on 10/30/10 at 10:06 am to salford227
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He isn't God, but the coaching ability isn't close between him and Miles. Self Deception is an awful thing, so take the blinders off
Saban now>Saban at LSU this thread is comparing saban at lsu to Miles at LSU and its closer then a lot of people give it credit for.
Posted on 10/30/10 at 10:08 am to TigerFan128
If he beats Bama, it means he still has the locker room and the ability to out coach Nicky. He will restore that confidence. I haven't lost it because of the loss to Auburn you are missing the point of what I am saying. I have lost it because of an offense that is ranked 100 and has been in the bottom 20 for two years that did not just happen. And his stubboress with JJ.
Posted on 10/30/10 at 10:09 am to TigerFan128
Let's see what happens next Saturday.
Bottom line is Saban took over a losing program and got us our 1st National Championship in almost 50 years.
Miles took over a winning program with tons of talent and won a BCS.
However, the trend in 2008 and 2009 was a decline in quality of play and losses. Simultaneously, Saban took over a down AL program and went over 2 regular seasons with no losses and a BCS. While LSU played undisciplined, made mistakes and lost games, Saban immediately took AL in the opposite direction.
The "we are our own worse enemy" trend lingers into Year 3, coincidentally since the Saban recruits graduated.
You are comparing apples to oranges when you talk about the condition of our program when Saban took over to when Miles took over.
Just my opinion -if Miles had been hired instead of Saban, LSU never would have won a BCS or had such a successful streak. What pisses people off is the perception that Saban builds Elite and winning programs while Miles has a hard time sustaining an elite program that he took over.
Let the season play out and look at the full 3 year results. If we nose dive (as we have the past 2 years) in the back 5 games of the season, LSU will have a trend of not playing to potential due to the coaches. If we win out, there is obviously no concern.
The situation will take care of itself.
Bottom line is Saban took over a losing program and got us our 1st National Championship in almost 50 years.
Miles took over a winning program with tons of talent and won a BCS.
However, the trend in 2008 and 2009 was a decline in quality of play and losses. Simultaneously, Saban took over a down AL program and went over 2 regular seasons with no losses and a BCS. While LSU played undisciplined, made mistakes and lost games, Saban immediately took AL in the opposite direction.
The "we are our own worse enemy" trend lingers into Year 3, coincidentally since the Saban recruits graduated.
You are comparing apples to oranges when you talk about the condition of our program when Saban took over to when Miles took over.
Just my opinion -if Miles had been hired instead of Saban, LSU never would have won a BCS or had such a successful streak. What pisses people off is the perception that Saban builds Elite and winning programs while Miles has a hard time sustaining an elite program that he took over.
Let the season play out and look at the full 3 year results. If we nose dive (as we have the past 2 years) in the back 5 games of the season, LSU will have a trend of not playing to potential due to the coaches. If we win out, there is obviously no concern.
The situation will take care of itself.
This post was edited on 10/30/10 at 10:13 am
Posted on 10/30/10 at 10:16 am to TigerFan128
You're exactly right about changing one's opinion on one game.
But, when you willingly ignore the evidence put before you in regards to clock and game management, and stick your head in the ground, and continuously give the benefit of the ever, growing doubt, you are just as ignorant, IMO.
Our discussion on this matter is futile. A change is imminent, and the bounce of a blind, over the shoulder pass, in conjunction with a botched, last play defensive penalty, has more than likely set our program back, yet another season. That would be an easier burden to bear, if Florida and Tennessee were worthy this year.
Miles stands a chance to ride this out, but it would require him to have as much input on offense as he does defense. It's still too late for this season, but in the hands of someone capable, our offense could be serviceable enough to win a championship. But, I no longer give Miles enough credit to realize this.
But, when you willingly ignore the evidence put before you in regards to clock and game management, and stick your head in the ground, and continuously give the benefit of the ever, growing doubt, you are just as ignorant, IMO.
Our discussion on this matter is futile. A change is imminent, and the bounce of a blind, over the shoulder pass, in conjunction with a botched, last play defensive penalty, has more than likely set our program back, yet another season. That would be an easier burden to bear, if Florida and Tennessee were worthy this year.
Miles stands a chance to ride this out, but it would require him to have as much input on offense as he does defense. It's still too late for this season, but in the hands of someone capable, our offense could be serviceable enough to win a championship. But, I no longer give Miles enough credit to realize this.
Posted on 10/30/10 at 10:16 am to RealityTiger
25 years ago, a very wise and successful man looked at a room full of up and coming 25 year to 30 year old soon to be lawyers. All the young kids thought they knew everything and were ready to rule the world.
The 60 year old man looked out at them all and said, "you do not know shite about it all until you are at least 50 years old."
The 60 year old man looked out at them all and said, "you do not know shite about it all until you are at least 50 years old."
Posted on 10/30/10 at 10:17 am to TigerFan128
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and has a shot at equaling saban's BEST two years in terms of wins at 20-4
here's the flaw in your argument: assuming this team will buck the trend of the last 2 years and avoid a november collapse. what makes you think that will happen? this team is just as fatally flawed as the last 2.
Posted on 10/30/10 at 10:18 am to TigerFan128
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Miles had a great year in 2007...he destroyed opponents by 25 points per game, while playing TWICE as many ranked regular season opponents.
also lost to 2 teams that finished unranked
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So, listen, I am not a huge miles supporter, but this is why i give the guy the benefit of the doubt. These two highly criticized years can equal saban's, not the best two of miles, but these highly criticized years. That being said, if he loses three games this year, fire his arse.
Saban was building a program, Miles got one of LSU's most talented teams. The circumstances of their coaching tenure aren't near the same.
2003>>>>>>>>>2007
2001>every other Les Miles team
Saban 2 SEC Championships>>>>Miles' 1
Posted on 10/30/10 at 10:19 am to oilfieldtiger
Some people need to see their stock drop to zero.
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