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re: Okay kids, if you will come up for air out of saban's lap
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:19 am to TigerFan128
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:19 am to TigerFan128
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how dare me
I think you are battling real and perceived differences in styles and emphasis (by two coaches). Saban's serious, no nonsense, essentially antisocial demeanor impresses people as more effective in promoting a disciplined team; and there is some definite truth to that. Mile's personality is much harder to take seriously and most fans want to "look up" to their coach in terms of respect and in terms of how he is viewed nationally.
Rightly or wrongly, people are embarrassed for Les and transference has a powerful emotional effect.
This post was edited on 10/30/10 at 9:20 am
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Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:19 am to TigerFan128
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the sec was just much weaker back then.
Florida finished the season with a BCS win by demolishing Maryland and finished #3. Tennessee could have gone the NC and finished #4. USC finshed 9-3 and #13. UGA #22. Only two teams in the SEC finished that season with losing records.
Besides, you can look at records at much at you want. In 2001, teams played one less rent-a-win game. Also, I'm more impressed by a coach who took a team from the bottom of the SEC to the top in 2 years. I could care less about the actual record.
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:24 am to TheBob
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So let me get this straight. If you support Miles, and think he's a great coach and wonderful man, you are intelligent and mature.
If you think Miles is not very good, and believe he was successful for inheriting a gold mine, this makes you a kid?
let me try to dumb it down for you......since ALL of the recruits on the LSU team are currently recruits of Les Miles, that makes it solely his team. Since he is currently 16-4 over the past two regular seasons and a realistic chance at going 20-4 compared to the best two years of saban at 20-3........despite all the criticism of these two years.....I think yes that takes some intelligence to step back and say wait....we are criticizing a guy that very well may equal the best two years of a god...how is that bad? But, young kids or even older people with no wisdom, reasoning ability, intelligence, can't quite compute that in their heads...in their minds, miles sucks, and thier belief is who cares about wins/losses....they want shiny rims on their cars.
This post was edited on 10/30/10 at 9:28 am
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:25 am to UGATiger26
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In 2001, teams played one less rent-a-win game
Our ooc was tulane utah state and middle tennesse. This year was UNC WVU ULM McNeese. Which one has one less rent a win? Once again, people have idealized Saban's stay here to the point where there is nothing Miles can do to top it.
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:31 am to UGATiger26
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I could care less about the actual record.
somehow this does not surprise me....lsu went to the sec championship game with 3 losses....that's not weak? This year a 1 loss team might not make it from the West.
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:32 am to TigerFan128
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I think yes that takes some intelligence to step back and say wait....we are criticizing a guy that very well may equal the best two years of a god...how is that bad?
You know what takes even more intelligence? Seeing the big picture.
What did Saban walk into when he got here?
What did Miles walk into when he got here?
See any differences? And you question how Saban could possibly be better by looking at overall record at LSU. You just happen to ignore the amazingly obvious fact that they accepted the job under completely opposite circumstances.
It's funny how you sit back and call people kid, and question their intelligence when you sir are a fricking idiot. If you can't see the difference between Miles, and Saban, I'm a fricking bigger idiot for even wasting my time on this post.
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:34 am to big70
Okay. I'll just cut to the chase then. People compare the two simply by comparing W/L columns. I have never coached a collegiate football team but I would have to imagine that it is MUCH more difficult to build a program up from rock bottom and turn them into national champions in 4 seasons. Show me where Miles has done that. He hasn't. He was tasked with MAINTAINING a program 2 years removed from a NC when pundits, recruits and college football fans alike had begun to see LSU in a completely different light than what they had seen in 1998-99. Miles did a great job maintaining (and even improving on that prestige a little bit), but unfortunately, the last few years point to some disturbing trends. If you think this team plays with the same discipline and intensity of 4-5 years ago than I don't know what to tell you.
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:35 am to kjacksonp
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Saban's serious, no nonsense, essentially antisocial demeanor impresses people as more effective in promoting a disciplined team;
This is it in a nutshell...that is why i say they want shiny rims...regardless of whether or not this theory holds true, it is what a lot believe and they throw out actual results because they don't want to believe they are wrong.
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:37 am to TigerFan128
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Okay kids, if you will come up for air out of saban's lap
Please, no more discussion of your afternoons at the day care. So far Lesticles is 0-2 head to head against Saban. Let's see what happens next week....
ETA OK, forgot Saban was coaching Bama on the Chad Jones play in 2007. 1-2 it is, but there's a lot on the line for Miles on 11/6/10.
This post was edited on 10/30/10 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:37 am to TheBob
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What did Saban walk into when he got here?
A team with Jarvis green, bradie james, trev faulk, rohan davey, josh booty, dominick davis, Labrandon toefield, Josh reed, Ryan Clark Robert Royal and there were many more. Almost all if not all of the above played pro ball. The cupbard was not bare. We may not have had the depth but that sure didnt hurt us in a 44-15 loss to florida. Spare Me.
This post was edited on 10/30/10 at 9:38 am
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:39 am to UGATiger26
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If you think this team plays with the same discipline and intensity of 4-5 years ago than I don't know what to tell you.
here's what i tell you...quit listening to analysts....they have no control over anything and their job is to create controversy...haven't you figured out that yet? As this post pointed out, THESE PAST TWO YEARS miles has an opportunity to equal the best two of Saban's....you are not objective at all.....how could the results of these two horrible years equal the great success of saban's best two? Does miles recruit THAT much better than saban to make up for lack of coaching?
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:40 am to big70
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The cupbard was not bare.
The program was in fricking shambles. The point was to show the difference in the state of the program when Saban arrived, and the state of the program when Miles arrived.
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:41 am to big70
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A team with Jarvis green, bradie james, trev faulk, rohan davey, josh booty, dominick davis, Labrandon toefield, Josh reed, Ryan Clark Robert Royal and there were many more.
the saban worshipers don't acknowledge this....lsu had a lot of talent, but the previous head coach had completely lost the team...
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:41 am to UGATiger26
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Show me where Miles has done that.
He did as much or more at Okie State than Saban did at MSU. He then stepped into the situation here. You cant fault him for that. The rest of your argument is the same old when you cant fight facts with facts resort to "but we LOOK bad dang it!!!" argument
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:42 am to TheBob
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The program was in fricking shambles.
the coaching was "bro"...the talent was there..and easy to turn things around...vs a team with no talent.
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:43 am to UGATiger26
An injury to Mauck in 2002 kept that year from being really good. I believe they were 6-0 before Mauck got hurt in the 4th qtr of the Florida Blowout.
If Saban had stayed, LSU may have won BCS titles in 2006 and 2007. 2006 was loaded with talent. No team we played was even close except maybe Florida.
Dorsey, Tyson Jackson, Laron Landry, Chevis Jackson, Ali Highsmith, JR, Bowe, Buster Davis, Early Doucet, Hester, etc. At least 6 first rounders on that team that were at least redshirt sophmores. I know there were some good O linemen as well.
If Saban had stayed, LSU may have won BCS titles in 2006 and 2007. 2006 was loaded with talent. No team we played was even close except maybe Florida.
Dorsey, Tyson Jackson, Laron Landry, Chevis Jackson, Ali Highsmith, JR, Bowe, Buster Davis, Early Doucet, Hester, etc. At least 6 first rounders on that team that were at least redshirt sophmores. I know there were some good O linemen as well.
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:44 am to Shaka Zulu
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far Lesticles is 0-2 head to head against Saban
wrong...1-2 with three great games....round 4 next weekend.
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:44 am to TheBob
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The program was in fricking shambles. The point was to show the difference in the state of the program when Saban arrived, and the state of the program when Miles arrived.
The talent was there and it needed direction-Saban gave that but to pretend that he was walking into this god awful situation like he was trying to play in the SEC with this years southeastern team like some people do is a misnomer.
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:46 am to salford227
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An injury to Mauck in 2002 kept that year from being really good
LMAO...just LMAO...it's okay to have excuses for saban.....UNREAL....If Miles would have been coaching in 2004 (most pre-season all sec in sec history) they would have won the NC.......that is as reasonable as your prediction.
Posted on 10/30/10 at 9:49 am to big70
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The talent was there and it needed direction-Saban gave that but to pretend that he was walking into this god awful situation like he was trying to play in the SEC with this years southeastern team like some people do is a misnomer.
The talent was there. I am in no way disagreeing with that. But there is a big difference when a coach walks into a situation where the previous staff was fired, and walking into a situation where the previous coach was given total control of an NFL franchise.
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