re: Okay kids, if you will come up for air out of saban's lap

Tigerdroppings is an addicting site to visit as an LSU fan (obviously). Especially on a bye week when the only thing to do today is watch other games and the honey do list that stretches from here to eternity.

But if there's any ugly scar this site has, is the name calling, the personal attacks, and the overall self righteousness. And this is all coming from the mouths (fingers) of GROWN arse MEN. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that you aren't talking to me in person and vice versa. I'm not looking you in the eyes as I type this.

But how many of us call others "fricking idiots" and "kids", etc when talking to somebody out IRL and you disagree with what they are saying? I know I don't. If there's any element of being immature, it's taking that strategy in any type of social interraction with others.

This is why I love the fact that a 43 year old is calling a group of guys anywhere from the age of 20 something to 60 something "kid" because that user doesn't agree that Miles belongs as head coach at LSU.

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but you are putting them ahead of a 2005 team that lost one game in the katrina year regular season and a 2006 team that lost two games when we played 4 top 10 teams on the road.

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they weren't the better team, but had better results on the season

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The sec (the west in particular) was down,

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see college football 2007, but that National Championship still counts

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negatigers

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says the one diminishing LSU's SEC Championship

This program has been a joke the previous 2 yrs. WTF are you talking about Miles worst 2 equaling Saban's best 2. We have yet to win a game of any meaningful importance since 2007. Bama and UF have been head and shoulders above the rest of the SEC the past 2 yrs. We have not won against neither. BTW UF and UGA both put 50pts on our D.
Not to mention JL's picks. JJ led us to an ofensive ranking below 100 last year, there are only 120 FBS schools. This year we are the most inept offense of any MAJOR program. JJ is the 2nd worse QB in CFB.

Look, Miles runs a clean program, can recruit well, and his players seem to like him. Saban is at Bama and is probably never coming back. That said, Saban is undoubtedly a better Coach. There can only be 1 Saban. He is not the ONLY good CFB coach. We need to focus on determining what is best for LSU. Is it getting rid of Miles and hiring someone else? Is it keeping Miles and getting a new OC? Nobody knows for sure but hopefully some changes are made.

Can we please stop comparing Miles and Saban. Afterall, look at Miles record the last 2 yrs and instead of comparing Sabans' best 2 here, just use his last 2 at Bama. They coach in the same division and conference. Miles will probably NEVER go unbeaten in the regular season for 2 straight years. Not in this conference.

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What did Saban walk into when he got here?

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A team that was two years removed from a Top 10 ranking to begin the season before the wheels fell off. The point being...the team had talent to win but needed coaching.

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What did Miles walk into when he got here?

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A team coming off a 9-3 record and the 4th best conference record in the SEC. A team that was loaded with talent but had underachieved.

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See any differences?

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Yes but I also see some similarities in that both coaches improved the team they took over.

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If you can't see the difference between Miles, and Saban, I'm a fricking bigger idiot for even wasting my time on this post.

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And if you can't look across the landscape of college football and see that teams have up and down years as players and leaders cycle through a program, you are a big idiot. Maybe you should have watched some Texas, USC, Oklahoma and Florida games over the last few years to see how cycles work in college football. Those are all marque programs that are either having or have had a down year (or 2) in the last few season.

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I simply point out facts.....i use facts to disagree with people....not opinion...my opinion is not worth a frick.....i'm not even a huge miles fan....but the facts...if you are intelligent and have reasoning ability...you can't ignore the facts which reflect the results of both coaches...no matter how differently they may have gotten them.

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Your "facts' do not take into account the program when each became head coach. Saban resurrected LSU football and elevated the program to a level that most of us have never known. I don't know how the program was viewed in the late 50's but I doubt it was viewed as a powerhouse top 5 program. Saban made LSU relevant and brought LSU a level of respect to the rest of the nation and SEC. Pre Saban LSU had some good years but usually they weren't sustained. LSU was more known for having a rowdy stadium then a great team. You claim your intelligent and anyone who doesn't agree with your "facts" are idiots to me that makes you sound like the idiot.

You can't even grasp the fact that Saban came in and took over a losing program but you want to compare Miles on the same level that is ignorant.

Then you say not to compare Saban at bama to Miles at LSU and your only comparing what each did at LSU. Why? Is it b/c your arguement would lose all credibility if you compared the last 3 years? Then you throw in the losses to UAB and ULM (why throw in the ULM loss that was at bama it appears you decide what to use to justify your arguement). Once again Saban not only built a program into a national champion he did it in the SEC. For all the people who claim how good of a recruiter Miles is please tell me how well he recruited at Ok. St. Whether you like it or not Miles benefitted from everything Saban did at LSU. Saban began locking down the state and keeping most of the talent here does anyone truly believe Miles could have done the same? I don't.
Do you think Miles would have won a national title or even a conference championship for that matter had he remained at Ok. St.? Hell no! I am sure most people will respond that LSU is a better program than Ok. St.

I don't like Miles as a coach and I love everything saban did for LSU so according to the positigers I am a negatiger. I am pretty sure I want them to win as much as anyone else and I know I can't stand it when they lose so I really don't care what I am labeled.

Is LSU more respected across the nation now or when Saban was coach?

I don't hear Miles's name being mentioned for every coaching position that may be available each year but with Saban it was a yearly ordeal.

You brought up Bear's lifetime achievement and mentioned what Saban has only done to this point. Same with Cholly Mac & Miles.
Saban has won two national championships at two different schools and is the first coach who has made that achievemt. So far and Miles has won one. Bear, while at Kentucky made them a program then went to A&M and took over a loser and had them at the top very quickly then did the same at Bama.

Sorry that you can't see the big picture of the potential future for Saban and Miles or the similarities.

If you listen to those that played under Bear Bryant, they never talk about "liking" him but they do all talk about fearing and respecting him. Saban's players are doing the same damn thing.

Yep. The simple thing of clock management, which as head coach he should be in charge of, is not even fixed by him. He continues to make that same mistake.

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Sorry that you can't see the big picture of the potential future for Saban and Miles or the similarities.

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Miles took over an Okla. St program with one winning season and one bowl game in the decade before he got their and lead them to 3 straight winning seasons starting his 2nd year there and 3 straight bowl games.

The "big picture" for me is that the currect LSU coach has a NC, has the highest winning percentage in LSU history, and currently has our team at 7-1 and ranked 12th while working around a weakness at a key offensive position.

Sorry you can't enjoy the LSU success cause you ate up thinking bout Nick.

Referring to everyone as "kids" doesn't give you any more credibility and it doesn't make your arguments look any less retarded.