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re: New LSU Arena? - EBR Metro Council Agenda
Posted on 2/26/24 at 2:46 pm to tigersbb
Posted on 2/26/24 at 2:46 pm to tigersbb
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This would be so fricking horrible. Women's basketball and gymnastics are drawing sellout crowds of 13,000 at the PMAC. Men's basketball appears to have turned the corner to where they will be competitive in the SEC and could approach crowds of 10,000 soon. It will be devestating to recruit to an arena with SWAC like capacity even for 2 to 3 years. They cannot give up the crowd advantage for any season.
Holy overreaction
If LSU is going to build a new arena, particularly one at the current site of the PMAC (which is the best spot for it), they have to be able to play somewhere. The River Center for a year or two is the most reasonable and cost-effective site. If gym and WBB are good people will still attend the games. The men's basketball program hasn't turned a corner after two games. Hopefully they will. But huge crowds aren't on the horizon just yet.
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It will be devestating to recruit to an arena with SWAC like capacity even for 2 to 3 years.
The days of new arenas with large capacities are over (at least for the foreseeable future). The last two new SEC basketball stadiums (Auburn and Ole Miss) hold less than 10,000 people. And for having, as you say, a "SWAC-like capacity", Auburn is the best home environment in the SEC. Likewise, Alabama has plans to build a new basketball stadium with an expected capacity of just over 10k to replace Coleman Coliseum which currently holds just under 15k. Last year Miss. St renovated Humphrey Coliseum to REDUCE the capacity to under 10k. Last month Baylor opened a new basketball arena that holds appx. 7,500. It replaced their old arena that held over 10k. And that's a school with multiple (men's and women's national championships) I would be very surprised if any new LSU arena would hold more than 11k (if even that). The River Center holds about 9k. That's plenty good enough for a year or two in exchange for a new arena.
A temporary seating capacity of 9k would have literally ZERO effect on recruiting.
This post was edited on 2/26/24 at 2:48 pm
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Posted on 2/26/24 at 2:49 pm to Pas Bon
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New arena will be built on campus. Absolutely no scenario where LSU would allow an off-campus sports arena. LSU would be using the River Center for all events that would normally utilize the PMAC, hence, the "restriction" language, which refers to the restriction of booking other/non-LSU related events for the River Center during the duration of their tenure there.
Where does it say LSU would play in the River Center? I read the motion as basically a non compete agreement. TAF doesn’t want to develop an arena designed to host sporting, entertainment and other events and have competition.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 2:57 pm to doubleb
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Where does it say LSU would play in the River Center?
Nowhere. People on here lack basic reading comprehension.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 2:59 pm to Kramer26
It's an interesting idea but I suspect they are just trying to establish the River Center's arena (which sucks BTW) as an alternative home while the PMAC gets renovated or maybe even expanded. I think there was a state appropriation to do that recently.
Years ago a proposal was put forward to rework the River Center. It was going to be paid for by the EBR taxpayers entirely. Kip Holden proposed it and it failed because of the costs and the city's focus on dealing with post-Katrina traffic issues at the time.
The plan was to replace both of the parking decks at the River Center with two new, larger decks with spaces for hotels to be built on top of them. Then the arena would be either replaced or significantly expanded/reworked. IIRC, the arena would have been significantly larger than what is there and would have housed concerts, basketball games, ice hockey teams, etc. The expansion would also have added a huge amount of convention space too.
Would be neat if a really cool arena was built from the ground up though. I think University of Memphis still plays in FedEx Forum right? I don't think we could swing that here without an NBA team.
Years ago a proposal was put forward to rework the River Center. It was going to be paid for by the EBR taxpayers entirely. Kip Holden proposed it and it failed because of the costs and the city's focus on dealing with post-Katrina traffic issues at the time.
The plan was to replace both of the parking decks at the River Center with two new, larger decks with spaces for hotels to be built on top of them. Then the arena would be either replaced or significantly expanded/reworked. IIRC, the arena would have been significantly larger than what is there and would have housed concerts, basketball games, ice hockey teams, etc. The expansion would also have added a huge amount of convention space too.
Would be neat if a really cool arena was built from the ground up though. I think University of Memphis still plays in FedEx Forum right? I don't think we could swing that here without an NBA team.
This post was edited on 2/26/24 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 2/26/24 at 3:05 pm to Tree_Fall
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The outcome of the agenda item may not make all LSU fans happy.
Honestly if we get an entirely new arena out of it or a significantly reworked PMAC...I'll be happy.
I don't want a warmed over River Center arena or a PMAC with some fresh paint. We need nicer digs and I think the fans can support it - either on campus or downtown.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 3:07 pm to dewster
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Honestly if we get an entirely new arena out of it or a significantly reworked PMAC...I'll be happy.
I don't want a warmed over River Center arena or a PMAC with some fresh paint. We need nicer digs and I think the fans can support it - either on campus or downtown.
The metro council ordinance refers to the TAF project to exceed $300 million. This wouldn't be a coat of paint and at that price, I highly doubt it is a renovation.
This post was edited on 2/26/24 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 2/26/24 at 3:13 pm to Alt26
I don't buy the downsizing argument for LSU. You are comparing Baton Rouge to Auburn and Oxford. The Pavilion also holds more than the Tad did, and Neville is only slightly smaller than the old arena. I expect any arena to be around the same capacity. The true value of those new arenas is the creation of clubs that moved big donors up and the student section to the majority of the low level seats. We should 100% follow suit on that.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 3:13 pm to LSUfan2008
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The metro council ordinance refers to the TAF project to exceed $300 million. This wouldn't be a coat of paint and at that price, I highly doubt it is a renovation.
IIRC, U of Alabama is spending about $185 million for their new arena on an empty piece of land on campus. I know construction costs have increased in the past 2 years, but $300 million will probably result in some nice new diggs.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 3:14 pm to Basura Blanco
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Basically, all of these concepts rely on relocating the track stadium.
The have completely abandoned that idea.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 3:14 pm to junkfunky
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The have completely abandoned that idea.
Link?
Posted on 2/26/24 at 3:16 pm to dewster
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Honestly if we get an entirely new arena out of it or a significantly reworked PMAC...I'll be happy.
I don't want a warmed over River Center arena or a PMAC with some fresh paint. We need nicer digs and I think the fans can support it - either on campus or downtown.
They aren't suggesting LSU renovate the River Center to use as LSU's home arena in the future. Rather, they are saying an aspect of the pitch to raise the funds for a new LSU arena would be that it would serve as the primary arena in EBR for concerts and other such things. Thus, they want assurances the River Center would not compete for those events. I'm assuming LSU would be looking for some tax money to help fund the building of a new arena and they have to show it would have benefit to the city/parish beyond just LSU sports.
I think others, myself included, just assumed that if LSU were to build a new arena at the current site of the PMAC they would need a temporary place to play while it is getting built. However, it seems more likely LSU will look to build an arena somewhere else on campus.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 3:19 pm to Alt26
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The days of new arenas with large capacities are over (at least for the foreseeable future). The last two new SEC basketball stadiums (Auburn and Ole Miss) hold less than 10,000 people.
Maybe, maybe not.
Not SEC, don't think it matters, but Nebraska's new arena seats 15K and Marquette's 17K. Both were built about the same time as Ole Miss'. Moreover, Ole Miss' Tad Pad had less capacity than the new arena and Auburn's capcity is approximately the same.
I do believe you are correct in your assessment, but I don't think it's a given that a new arena will be built at a reduced capacity.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 3:20 pm to Alt26
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I think others, myself included, just assumed that if LSU were to build a new arena at the current site of the PMAC they would need a temporary place to play while it is getting built. However, it seems more likely LSU will look to build an arena somewhere else on campus.
The ordinance says that the project would be located on property on the LSU campus. The most logical site would be the Bernie Moore site considering that you would still have the benefits of connecting to your relatively new practice facility, basketball statues, parking, and other assets while continuing to use the PMAC.
This post was edited on 2/26/24 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 2/26/24 at 3:25 pm to Slippy
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Supermoto, thank you. You basically demonstrated that Ranters lack all reading comprehension skills
Look at item (3)
They are referencing two different entities with one long run-on sentence. I'm not a mind reader. It was the first red flag for me.
(3) FURTHER RECOGNIZING THAT A COMPETING FACILITY IN THE GREATER EAST BATON ROUGE REGION TO THE NEW LSU ARENA, WILL PREVENT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE TAF PROJECT, IF THE NEW LSU ARENA IS DEVELOPED AND THEREAFTER CONSTRUCTED, THE CITY-PARISH, REPRESENTED BY THE METRO COUNCIL, AGREES TO RESTRICT, PREVENT AND PROHIBIT LIVE MUSIC AND ENTERTAINMENT ACTIVITIES TO BE HELD OR CONDUCTED INSIDEROPERTY OWNED BY THE CITY-PARISH, INCLUDING, THE RAISING CANE’S RIVER CENTER COMPLEX (“RIVER CENTER COMPLEX”), OTHER THAN THE RIVER CENTER PERFORMING ARTS THEATRE (“CITY-PARISH RESTRICTION”) AND THE EXHIBITION HALL FOR LIVE MUSIC AND ENTERTAINMENT EVENTS WITH NO GREATER THAN 3,500 ATTENDEES, UNLESS OTHERWISE AGREED UPON BY THE METRO COUNCIL AND TAF IN WRITING.
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SWB wants the new arena, and acknowledges it will be a net win for all of Baton Rouge.
red flag #2
Posted on 2/26/24 at 3:27 pm to Alt26
I dont honetly know how this works but the mooney center was built with private investor money. Lets say Shaw were to front $ for the building. They would then own the revenue from non lsu events such as concerts, harlem globe trotters or make up whatever you want. They would keep this revenue for say 15 years then it transfers to lsu. I see this scenario as to why the restrictions on the river center for non compete. Lsu would play in the pmac till moving by the water campus where rumor of the new arena will be located
Posted on 2/26/24 at 3:29 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
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We're moving Bernie Moore and the Natatorium to where the LSU Golf Course is now.
That would open up a stretch of Nicholson-front property from North Stadium to the North gates.
The immediate area outside of the gates has already been undergoing gentrification (even if minimal) for years. As much as people like to jump on the "President streets" for being a shite hole, it is not nearly as bad as Gardere or North Sherwood, especially along Nicholson. The entire Nicholson corridor from LSU to downtown has the potential for being revamped/unrecognizable in 10 years. They could even do something with light rail as that right of way already exists as well.
That said, all of this talk has you feeling like a poor kid telling your parents what you want for your birthday knowing damn well you will end up with a pack of socks and a hand me down bike.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 3:30 pm to Alt26
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Auburn is the best home environment in the SEC
I am so fricking tired of hearing about Auburn's home environment. They put 10,000 in their small arena and yes they are loud, But the PMAC for women's basketball and gymnastics is no different when those teams are doing well and there are 2,000 to 3,000 more fans than Auburn. The PMAC is the best venue for women's basketball and gymnastics in the country, At some point I am convinced men's basketball will return to a prominent spot within the conference and will begin to draw large crowds.
Why in the hell would we want to reduce capacity by a third just to be like Auburn, We have a much larger population base to draw from and historically have packed the PMAC when there are ranked and contending teams. If a new arena is built it should at the least maintain the same capacity. If that is the answer it should be at a totally new site with the PMAC used until the new arena opens. Moving to the River Center would set all programs back.
This post was edited on 2/26/24 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 2/26/24 at 3:33 pm to tigersbb
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Moving to the River Center would set all programs back.
Other than people in this thread, who/what is suggesting that LSU is moving anything to the River Center?
Posted on 2/26/24 at 3:36 pm to Alt26
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I think others, myself included, just assumed that if LSU were to build a new arena at the current site of the PMAC they would need a temporary place to play while it is getting built. However, it seems more likely LSU will look to build an arena somewhere else on campus.
Yeah even a smaller, new arena like the ones at Auburn or U of Houston would be a tight squeeze where the PMAC is without moving the track stadium. It's certainly possible but it would be challenging.
Wonder where they'd build the new one. I guess out by Alex Box or maybe on one of the commuter lots near Parker/Gourrier?
Posted on 2/26/24 at 3:37 pm to tigersbb
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, At some point I am convinced men's basketball will return to a prominent spot within the conference and will begin to draw large crowds.
I keep waiting for this.....
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