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re: NATIONAL TITLE HOPES - Updated page 1
Posted on 11/7/10 at 12:52 pm to Bread Orgeron
Posted on 11/7/10 at 12:52 pm to Bread Orgeron
Matt
Is there a limit to the number of Sec teams allowed in the BCS? If au loses in theSec championship game, but is in the top 4 with LSU can we get three teams in due to automatic qualifiers?
Is there a limit to the number of Sec teams allowed in the BCS? If au loses in theSec championship game, but is in the top 4 with LSU can we get three teams in due to automatic qualifiers?
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Posted on 11/7/10 at 12:59 pm to C
quote:
No more than two teams from any one conference may receive berths in BCS games unless two non-champions from a BCS conference finish as the top two teams in the final BCS standings, in which case they will meet in the National Title Game while their conference champion will play in their conference's BCS bowl game.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 1:00 pm to C
There is a limit of 2. If 8-4 Florida beats 12-0 AU. Then UF goes to the Sugar Bowl. If AU finishes above LSU and top 4 (and I am pretty sure they would), then LSU would be left in the cold.
I won't say it is impossible for LSU to finish above 12-1 AU, but AU would have a slight computer edge and most voters are going to put 12-1 AU over an 11-1 team they beat.
I won't say it is impossible for LSU to finish above 12-1 AU, but AU would have a slight computer edge and most voters are going to put 12-1 AU over an 11-1 team they beat.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 1:24 pm to lsu xman
quote:
No more than two teams from any one conference may receive berths in BCS games unless two non-champions from a BCS conference finish as the top two teams in the final BCS standings, in which case they will meet in the National Title Game while their conference champion will play in their conference's BCS bowl game.
official BCS rule?
link?
So....
if FL beats undefeated AUBIE in tight SECCG,
and...
LSU wins out, and...
somehow 11-1 LSU and 12-1 AUBIE end up #1 and #2 in final BCS poll...
then...
BCSCG = LSU-AUBIE rematch
and...
FL goes to SUGAR ???
Posted on 11/7/10 at 1:36 pm to lsumatt
INCORRECT, the highest rated team in the BCS would go. 
Posted on 11/7/10 at 1:46 pm to LSUHSV
quote:
INCORRECT, the highest rated team in the BCS would go.
LSUMatt is right in this scenario. BCS rankings only get involved when there is a 3+ tie in a division and none of the other tie-breakers resolve the issue.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 1:47 pm to LSUHSV
An AQ's bid should really be of subjective choosing when it comes to a low ranking or 3 or more loses.
Look at the ACC/Big East lately.
Look at the ACC/Big East lately.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 1:50 pm to Indiana Tiger
per BCS rules:
At-large Eligibility
If there are fewer than 10 automatic qualifiers, then the bowls will select at-large participants to fill the remaining berths. An at-large team is any Football Bowl Subdivision team that is bowl-eligible and meets the following requirements:
A. Has won at least nine regular-season games, and
B. Is among the top 14 teams in the final BCS Standings.
No more than two teams from a conference may be selected, regardless of whether they are automatic qualifiers or at-large selections, unless two non-champions from the same conference are ranked No. 1 and No. 2 in the final BCS Standings.
If fewer than 10 teams are eligible for selection, then the Bowls can select as an at-large team any Football Bowl Subdivision team that is bowl-eligible, has won at least nine regular-season games and is among the top 18 teams in the final BCS Standings subject to the two-team limit noted above and also subject to the following:
1) if any conference has two or more teams in the top 14, then two of those teams must be selected and
(2) from the teams ranked 15-18, a bowl can select only a team from a conference that has fewer than two teams in the top 14.
If expansion of the pool to 18 teams does not result in 10 teams eligible for selection, then the pool shall be expanded by blocks of 4 teams until 10 eligible teams are available subject to the two-team limit noted above and also subject to the following: (1) if any conference has two or more teams in the top 14, then two of those teams must be selected and (2) from the teams ranked 15 or lower, a bowl can select only a team from a conference that has fewer than two teams in the top 14.
Relative to the two preceding paragraphs, all teams ranked in the top 14, other than those from conferences which have already had two teams selected, must be included in the bowl selections.
At-large Eligibility
If there are fewer than 10 automatic qualifiers, then the bowls will select at-large participants to fill the remaining berths. An at-large team is any Football Bowl Subdivision team that is bowl-eligible and meets the following requirements:
A. Has won at least nine regular-season games, and
B. Is among the top 14 teams in the final BCS Standings.
No more than two teams from a conference may be selected, regardless of whether they are automatic qualifiers or at-large selections, unless two non-champions from the same conference are ranked No. 1 and No. 2 in the final BCS Standings.
If fewer than 10 teams are eligible for selection, then the Bowls can select as an at-large team any Football Bowl Subdivision team that is bowl-eligible, has won at least nine regular-season games and is among the top 18 teams in the final BCS Standings subject to the two-team limit noted above and also subject to the following:
1) if any conference has two or more teams in the top 14, then two of those teams must be selected and
(2) from the teams ranked 15-18, a bowl can select only a team from a conference that has fewer than two teams in the top 14.
If expansion of the pool to 18 teams does not result in 10 teams eligible for selection, then the pool shall be expanded by blocks of 4 teams until 10 eligible teams are available subject to the two-team limit noted above and also subject to the following: (1) if any conference has two or more teams in the top 14, then two of those teams must be selected and (2) from the teams ranked 15 or lower, a bowl can select only a team from a conference that has fewer than two teams in the top 14.
Relative to the two preceding paragraphs, all teams ranked in the top 14, other than those from conferences which have already had two teams selected, must be included in the bowl selections.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 2:14 pm to lsumatt
Question Matt:
What if Oregon, Auburn (lose 2; 1/2 uga/bama, and lose to UF in the seccg), and Nebraska lose? Do you think the computers vault LSU into the game against either boise or tcu?
This has always seemed like the most logical way for lsu to make it. I don't think the pollsters even would want 2 non-aq teams playing in the big game.
What do you think as far as the numbers go?
What if Oregon, Auburn (lose 2; 1/2 uga/bama, and lose to UF in the seccg), and Nebraska lose? Do you think the computers vault LSU into the game against either boise or tcu?
This has always seemed like the most logical way for lsu to make it. I don't think the pollsters even would want 2 non-aq teams playing in the big game.
What do you think as far as the numbers go?
Posted on 11/7/10 at 2:55 pm to Mr. Allman
Just so we are clear:
1. The winner of the SECCG goes to the Sugar (unless they are in the title game)
2. If you finish in the top 4 of the BCS you are guaranteed a spot. That is why Auburn is guaranteed a spot if they finish 12-1 above LSU. So if they are #4 after losing in the SECCG and we are #5...we would be screwed.
3. If neither team were in the top 4, they can pick whoever they want. I am not sure who they take in that case, but it seems AU would be an attractive option since they haven't been since 2004.
1. The winner of the SECCG goes to the Sugar (unless they are in the title game)
2. If you finish in the top 4 of the BCS you are guaranteed a spot. That is why Auburn is guaranteed a spot if they finish 12-1 above LSU. So if they are #4 after losing in the SECCG and we are #5...we would be screwed.
3. If neither team were in the top 4, they can pick whoever they want. I am not sure who they take in that case, but it seems AU would be an attractive option since they haven't been since 2004.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 3:06 pm to lsumatt
Matt, while I sat in TS at the end of the game, I thought "lsumatt is gonna have a field day figuring this out"!!!! You must have been burning the midnight oil!
You rock!
You rock!
Posted on 11/7/10 at 3:59 pm to Mr. Allman
Sagarin ELO Chess shows us now at 6th....that has been one of our lower computer rankings....
Posted on 11/7/10 at 4:06 pm to Lithium
quote:
with equal records I'd be suprised if they took LSU over Bama
same here. With LSU's offense and Bama coming off a NC, Bama would likely be seen as the more attractive team by most
Posted on 11/7/10 at 4:09 pm to lsumatt
quote:
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO WIN YOUR CONFERENCE TO PLAY FOR A NC
but we're not Georgia. We don't cry about stuff like this.
So unless Auburn shits the bed with GA and Bama - we're not going.It's OK - we could still have a hell of a season!
Posted on 11/7/10 at 4:12 pm to Mr. Allman
quote:
Yeah, can't see them selecting 11-1 LSU over a 12-1 Auburn.
It could happen, if the loss was to Florida, who LSU beat. Especially if UF blew them out.
/hypothetical
Posted on 11/7/10 at 4:28 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Lsu has got to look pretty attractive with the crazy finishes we often have. Talk about keeping the audience hanging by the seat of their pants!
Posted on 11/7/10 at 4:45 pm to C
quote:
Talk about keeping the audience hanging by the seat of their pants!
Not even Les would mangle a saying this thoroughly.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 4:47 pm to nycajun
Posted on 11/7/10 at 5:08 pm to Rebel
i'm sure this has been asked, but what time do the BCS rankings come out?
Posted on 11/7/10 at 5:31 pm to imAMAZING
Matt,
If/When you have time to ponder this scenario...
Assume LSU is #5 in BCS tonight.
Assume Auburn wins out and ends up #1 in final BCS poll.
Assume Oregon loses one.
Do you think LSU has a chance of rising to #2 by winning out?
If not by just winning out, who else besides Oregon do you think would have to lose for us to get to #2?
If/When you have time to ponder this scenario...
Assume LSU is #5 in BCS tonight.
Assume Auburn wins out and ends up #1 in final BCS poll.
Assume Oregon loses one.
Do you think LSU has a chance of rising to #2 by winning out?
If not by just winning out, who else besides Oregon do you think would have to lose for us to get to #2?
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