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re: Miles's comments regarding 3rd and 8 are disturbing
Posted on 9/30/10 at 2:52 pm to just me
Posted on 9/30/10 at 2:52 pm to just me
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Except that one game was against a ranked BCS team and one game was against a 3-6 WAC team that was depleted from injuries.
Yeah Tech had their entire starting secondary out and was almost all true freshman if I remember correctly. Comparing JJs WVU game and LaTech last year is asinine.
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Posted on 9/30/10 at 2:53 pm to TheDoc
NO - not against good teams
Posted on 9/30/10 at 3:04 pm to The312
Dude. You've lost your mind. Seriously.
Then you really go over the edge. Somehow, you decide that it makes sense to take my post about an entire season and change it into a post about component parts of a season:
To extend your insanity, you then cherry pick the component you prefer.
Then you attempt to tie your incoherent conclusion together by blathering on with nonsense:
I am sitting here laughing at your irrational process.
quote:Yes, I said Lee played worse in 2009. That's an entire season. Not component parts of a season.
No no no. YOU initiated this argument. YOU specifically stated that Lee played worse in 2009 than JJ played last week. I can link the post for you if you've forgotten it. YOU said that.
Then you really go over the edge. Somehow, you decide that it makes sense to take my post about an entire season and change it into a post about component parts of a season:
quote:My post about an entire season is not based upon parts of a season. You can't break the season down and decide that it must be based upon an individual component of the season.
There are only two possible bases for YOUR conclusion:
(1) One quarter against Bama in 2009;
(2) Lee's start against La Tech in 2009.
To extend your insanity, you then cherry pick the component you prefer.
quote:Really?!?! When I post about an entire season, you think it's okay to only use one portion of the season? And you further think it makes sense to only use the portion of the season that you cherry pick?
As already noted, the one quarter of play against Bama is not a suitable foundation for any rational conclusions, so basis (1) has been invalidated.
That leaves you only ONE basis for YOUR conclusion: Lee's start against La Tech. And as I have already demonstrated, Lee had better objective statistics against Tech than JJ had against WVU.
Then you attempt to tie your incoherent conclusion together by blathering on with nonsense:
quote:You've lost your mind, son.
Thus, YOUR conclusion, the conclusion that YOU injected into this thread, the conclusion that Lee played worse in 09 than JJ played last week, is...complete bullshite. It's untenable. There is no evidence to support it. In other words, you were wrong.
I am sitting here laughing at your irrational process.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 3:14 pm to just me
Well, bottom line, end of the day, the argument will be settled on the field. We don't have a very good QB period, either Jefferson or Lee. I give props to Miles for apparently trying to hold things together by playing conservative offense and letting his dominating defense and special teams do some good work. It may not be pretty, but its better than just making dramatic over-corrections that might really hurt the season. But at this point in the season, poor play in one aspect of one phase of the game is insufficient by any rational measure to justify pulling a second year starter in favor of a back up who has, when he has had his shots to show his "improvement" consistently left us wanting).
Posted on 9/30/10 at 3:38 pm to just me
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Yes, I said Lee played worse in 2009. That's an entire season. Not component parts of a season.
Then you really go over the edge. Somehow, you decide that it makes sense to take my post about an entire season and change it into a post about component parts of a season:
quote:
There are only two possible bases for YOUR conclusion:
(1) One quarter against Bama in 2009;
(2) Lee's start against La Tech in 2009.
Are you mentally retarded? Seriously? What other evidence do you have concerning Lee's performance in 2009? Please, enlighten me.
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt when I inferred you that you were basing your argument on Bama and La Tech. Are you telling me that you are actually basing your opinion on Lee's MOP UP duty against Vandy, ULL, Auburn, and Tulane? Ok, genius, here are his stats from those games. Please tell me how they support your conclusion that Lee played worse in 09 than JJ did last week?
Vanderbilt 1-1-0 100.0 10 0 10 0-0 184.00
UL-Lafayette 1-1-0 100.0 1 1 1 0-0 438.40
Auburn 1-3-0 33.3 12 0 12 0-0 66.93
Tulane 2-3-0 66.7 25 0 17 0-0 136.67
In fact, by your "completion percentage" standards, Lee was an unstoppable juggernaut against Vandy and ULL. He had 100% completion rates!
Or was it his 2-3 performance against Tulane that convinces you he played worse in 2009 than JJ did last week? No, maybe the three pass attempts against Auburn in mop-up time?
Dude, you made a dumb statement. Just admit it was wrong. Lee did not play worse in 09 than JJ did last week. There is just no evidence to support that statement.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 3:49 pm to KappaSwig
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But at this point in the season, poor play in one aspect of one phase of the game is insufficient by any rational measure to justify pulling a second year starter in favor of a back up who has, when he has had his shots to show his "improvement" consistently left us wanting
Wait. So if someone sucks, we cant pull him if the other side of the ball is performing? Wow. Interesting logic.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 4:04 pm to The312
This is me laughing at you arguing in circles. Keep pounding that keyboard.
Please continue with your argument based upon separate component parts of a season.
You know what I posted. You quoted it eleventy bajillion times. You even said you could link my post if necessary. I said Lee played worse in 2009. That's an entire season.
Oh, and do me one more favor. Please continue to compare 2010 West Virgina to 2009 Louisiana Tech. That argument looks great on you.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 4:07 pm to just me
Yall do realize the the entire purpose of the comment that Les Miles made was not to emphasize what is best to call on third and long but to make excuses for JJ.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 4:20 pm to just me
When a person resorts to emoticons and claims that they are "laughing," that is typically a sign that they have been bested in rational argument.
Let's summarize.
You said "Lee played worse in 2009" than JJ did last week. Now, let's investigate whether there is any rational basis for that:
(1) Compare Lee's one 2009 start to JJ's performance last week. This is the best available data because it compares and contrasts two games where the respective QB's were both appearing as starters. However, it offers no succour for your argument. Lee had better stats against La Tech, as demonstrated;
(2) Compare Lee's 2009 game by game performance to JJ's performance last week. This isn't a valid comparison, given that Lee wasn't the starter for many games and only appeared in garbage time or trying circumstances, but again there is no consistent support for your statement, as shown;
(3) Compare Lee's overall 2009 statistics to JJ's performance last week. Let's do that. In 2009, Lee was 16-40 with 12.3 YPC and 2 TD's and 1 INT. Last week, JJ was 10-22 with 7.5 YPC and 0 TD's and 2 INTS. Therefore, overall in 2009, Lee had a much better YPC and a vastly better TD to INT ratio than JJ had last week. Again, you lose.
Outcome: There is no basis for your statement. You are wrong. And not too smart.
Let's summarize.
You said "Lee played worse in 2009" than JJ did last week. Now, let's investigate whether there is any rational basis for that:
(1) Compare Lee's one 2009 start to JJ's performance last week. This is the best available data because it compares and contrasts two games where the respective QB's were both appearing as starters. However, it offers no succour for your argument. Lee had better stats against La Tech, as demonstrated;
(2) Compare Lee's 2009 game by game performance to JJ's performance last week. This isn't a valid comparison, given that Lee wasn't the starter for many games and only appeared in garbage time or trying circumstances, but again there is no consistent support for your statement, as shown;
(3) Compare Lee's overall 2009 statistics to JJ's performance last week. Let's do that. In 2009, Lee was 16-40 with 12.3 YPC and 2 TD's and 1 INT. Last week, JJ was 10-22 with 7.5 YPC and 0 TD's and 2 INTS. Therefore, overall in 2009, Lee had a much better YPC and a vastly better TD to INT ratio than JJ had last week. Again, you lose.
Outcome: There is no basis for your statement. You are wrong. And not too smart.
This post was edited on 9/30/10 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 9/30/10 at 4:22 pm to Rex
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Excuse me if I think a Div I quarterback should be able to pick up 8 yards a good 40% of the time... at least. A good one will do much better.
If you ever needed an example of the delusionally unrealistic expectations of the "average" LSU fan, there it is.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 4:44 pm to The312
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When a person resorts to emoticons and claims that they are "laughing," that is typically a sign that they have been bested in rational argument.
That would be me laughing at the absurdity of your completely irrational argument that using emoticons is a sign that someone has lost the debate.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 4:58 pm to TheDoc
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Only Brett favre could make 3rd and 8
Completely off the subject, but the 1st thing that came to mind is that Brees could do it. Did he even give thought to what he was saying? Provided he is residing in the state of LA, he probably should have used Brees instead of Favre. It's not like Brees just won the last super bowl or anything.
This is why he should become better at speaking.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 5:05 pm to TigerFanNKaty
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All he is doing is trying to make excuses so his quarterback does not end up on the lockeroom floor in the fetal position.
Then perhaps he should play a QB whose psyche isn't quite so fragile. Not to mention able to throw the football downfield.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 5:17 pm to Camp Randall
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Wrong. I think he knows eventually he's gonna have to give Lee a shot. He's setting it up so if Lee fails he'll be able to go back to JJ and hopefully the dude won't be a total basket case. The coaches know they have to tread lightly.
This.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 5:26 pm to KappaSwig
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No it wasn't. Lee failed in that effort: we were winning until he went in
you're retarded. And I mean that with the greatest respect
quote:
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LSU 7, ALABAMA 10
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--------------- 8 plays, 81 yards, TOP 03:20 ---------------
Leigh Tiffin kickoff 63 yards to the LS7, Tr. Holliday return 18 yards
to the LS25 (Robby Green).
L 1-10 L25 LSU drive start at 11:40.
L 1-10 L25 Charles Scott rush over right end for 6 yards to the LS31, out-of-bounds
(Rolando McClain).
L 2-4 L31 Jo. Jefferson sideline pass incomplete to Charles Scott, dropped pass, QB
hurry by B. Deaderick, QB hurry by Eryk Anders.
L 3-4 L31 Jo. Jefferson RF pass complete to T. Toliver for 6 yards to the LS37, 1ST
DOWN LS (Javier Arenas).
L 1-10 L37 Charles Scott rush over right guard for 4 yards to the LS41 (Eryk
Anders;Marcell Dareus).
L 2-6 L41 Jo. Jefferson LF pass complete to Brandon LaFell for 3 yards to the LS44
(Rolando McClain;Javier Arenas).
L 3-3 L44 Charles Scott rush over right tackle for 10 yards to the UA46, 1ST DOWN
LS (Cory Reamer;Justin Woodall).
L 1-10 A46 Jo. Jefferson sacked for loss of 15 yards to the LS39 (Nico Johnson),
PENALTY LS intentional grounding (Jo. Jefferson) 0 yards to the LS39.
L 2-25 L39 2nd and 25.
L 2-25 L39 Timeout LSU, clock 08:26. L 2-25 L39 Jarrett Lee sideline pass incomplete to T. Toliver.
L 3-25 L39 Timeout LSU, clock 08:20.
L 3-25 L39 Jarrett Lee middle pass complete to R.J. Jackson for 20 yards to the UA41
(Eryk Anders).
L 4-5 A41 PENALTY LS false start 5 yards to the UA46.
L 4-10 A46 Josh Jasper punt 45 yards to the UA1, downed.
--------------- 9 plays, 29 yards, TOP 04:54 ---------------
A 1-10 A01 ALABAMA drive start at 06:46.
A 1-10 A01 Greg McElroy rush quarterback sneak for 1 yard to the UA2 (Jacob
Cutrera).
A 2-9 A02 Greg McElroy RF pass incomplete to Julio Jones, dropped pass.
A 3-9 A02 Greg McElroy sacked for loss of 2 yards to the UA0 (Drake Nevis),
PENALTY UA intentional grounding (Greg McElroy) 0 yards to the UA0,
TEAM safety, clock 05:55.
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LSU 9, ALABAMA 10
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A 1-G A20 1st and 80.
--------------- 3 plays, minus 1 yards, TOP 00:51 ---------------
P J. Fitzgerald kickoff 55 yards to the LS25, Tr. Holliday return 16
yards to the LS41 (T. Richardson;Jerrell Harris).
L 1-10 L41 LSU drive start at 05:55.
L 1-10 L41 Charles Scott rush over left guard for loss of 1 yard to the LS40 (Kareem
Jackson;Josh Chapman).
L 2-11 L40 Jarrett Lee RF pass complete to Brandon LaFell for 7 yards to the LS47 (Cory
Reamer;Marquis Johnson).
L 3-4 L47 Charles Scott rush over right tackle for 4 yards to the UA49, 1ST DOWN
LS (Rolando McClain;Marcell Dareus).
L 1-10 A49 Charles Scott rush up middle for 34 yards to the UA15, 1ST DOWN LS
(Kareem Jackson;Javier Arenas).
LSU RB Charles Scott shaken up on the play.
L 1-10 A15 Tr. Holliday rush over right end for 2 yards to the UA13 (Mark Barron).
L 2-8 A13 PENALTY UA offside defense (B. Deaderick) 5 yards to the UA8.
L 2-3 A08 Stevan Ridley rush over right end for 8 yards to the UA0, 1ST DOWN
LS, TOUCHDOWN, clock 03:19.
Jarrett Lee pass attempt failed.
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LSU 15, ALABAMA 10
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Posted on 9/30/10 at 5:31 pm to Chimlim
Is that really the message when he calls a 4 yards crossing route on 3rd and 8?
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i counted 3 of these in the game. of course they all got about 3/4 yards every time.
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i counted 3 of these in the game. of course they all got about 3/4 yards every time.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 5:46 pm to just me
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To extend your insanity, you then cherry pick the component you prefer.
Says the king of cherry picking
and NO QB IN LSU HISTORY, has ever played a worse complete game than JJ did against WVa.
55.91 rating
And if you want to look at partial games; still JJ
Troy '08 1-6-0 (17%) 5 yds 0 TDs 23.7 rating
Nobody can bend the stats enough to say that JJ needs to be the sole person behind center, anymore
Posted on 9/30/10 at 5:59 pm to RobbBobb
You guys are managing to convince me that Russell Shepard should be our quarterback.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 9:14 pm to KappaSwig
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a QB who threw 16 (SIXTEEN) interceptions that were returned for TOUCHDOWNS
16 (SIXTEEN) total interceptions. 7 (SEVEN) were returned for touchdowns I think. You also said we were winning the bama game last year when JL came in the game? Wrong again. I'm pretty sure we were down 10-7. Also, you said JL in 09 was worse than JJ last week. Surprise surprise, wrong again. Nobody in recent memory has played the qb position for an entire game as bad as JJ did last week. Get your facts straight before you post so you don't look like an idiot next time.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 8:22 am to ForeverLSUTigers1121
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guys stop bashing lsu we are undefeated!!!!!!!!
They won't stop. They CAN'T stop. I'm not even sure what it will take, but 11 wins seems to be the answer - AND THOSE 11 WINS BETTER INCLUDE BAMA. If that happens, some of the straight anti-Miles negatigers will back off some.
The Sabanistas, however, will NEVER stop. Miles could stay another 10 years, and have 140 wins, and they will ALWAYS credit Saban for any of Miles success.
The LSU bashing has been around since I could remember. The internet has made it more obvious. There was Saban bashing when he was here. Ironically, some of those Saban bashers are Sabanistas now.
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