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re: Miles's comments regarding 3rd and 8 are disturbing
Posted on 9/30/10 at 12:44 pm to BobBoucher
Posted on 9/30/10 at 12:44 pm to BobBoucher
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I think he's going to limit Lee's exposure in an attempt to mitigate the QB controversy.
Wrong. I think he knows eventually he's gonna have to give Lee a shot. He's setting it up so if Lee fails he'll be able to go back to JJ and hopefully the dude won't be a total basket case.
The coaches know they have to tread lightly.
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Posted on 9/30/10 at 12:45 pm to Tim
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and why do people see this as negative
What?
Posted on 9/30/10 at 12:45 pm to Rex
Anyone catch that he used the penalty on Lee's drive that LSU would have converted without to actually show support for playing JJ instead of Lee?
I guess he forgot to subtract that one when discussing the problems with JJ moving the offense.
I guess he forgot to subtract that one when discussing the problems with JJ moving the offense.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 12:46 pm to ForeLSU
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3rd and 8 is a tougher conversion
You don't say!
No, he said MORE than that... that NO quarterback can be successful in that situation, ignoring the fact that many QB's CAN pick up 3rd and 8 and that his QB's poor play contributed to the frequent 3rd down problems in the first place.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 12:47 pm to Camp Randall
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Wrong. I think he knows eventually he's gonna have to give Lee a shot. He's setting it up so if Lee fails he'll be able to go back to JJ and hopefully the dude won't be a total basket case.
The coaches know they have to tread lightly.
Precisely.
Although I completely disagree with putting Lee in the situation he was faced with last Saturday.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 12:48 pm to Camp Randall
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He's setting it up so if Lee fails he'll be able to go back to JJ and hopefully the dude won't be a total basket case.
In light of how he accused non-appreciative fans of having unhappy marriages, yes, I suppose he does fancy himself a Dr. Phil.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 12:49 pm to Camp Randall
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Wrong. I think he knows eventually he's gonna have to give Lee a shot. He's setting it up so if Lee fails he'll be able to go back to JJ and hopefully the dude won't be a total basket case.
The coaches know they have to tread lightly.
Two responses:
(1) Preserving Jefferson's confidence by repeating reassuring mantras is completely ineffectual. At some point, Jefferson has to step onto the field and actually perform well against a talented defense, or we will lose. Thus far, he has simply beeen incapable of executing;
(2) If Miles is going to play Lee, he must do so this week. It would be disastrous (not to mention unfair) to force Lee into his first meaningful action of the year when we are losing to a talnted Florida team in front of a hostile crowd at the Swamp.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 12:49 pm to Rex
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No, he said MORE than that... that NO quarterback can be successful in that situation, ignoring the fact that many QB's CAN pick up 3rd and 8 and that his QB's poor play contributed to the frequent 3rd down problems in the first place.
Post his entire quote. Your paraphrase is misleading.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 12:50 pm to ForeLSU
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his message was "we can't afford false start penalties on 3rd and 3, because 3rd and 8 is a tougher conversion"....it's not that difficult of a concept
You'd think some of the JL lovers out there would grasp this concept since JL was screwed out of a sure first down by a completely asinine illegal procedure penalty. Just the kind of asinine penalties Lesticle is referring to. They've been far too frequent and more than a few local sports columnists have noticed.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 12:52 pm to moneyg
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Post his entire quote. Your paraphrase is misleading.
Actually his paraphrasing was kind to Miles. Coach actually said, outside of Bret Favre, no other QB could do what was being expected
Really?
Posted on 9/30/10 at 12:53 pm to Rex
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It's really hard to pick up a 3rd and 8 when you run a 6 yard route
And how many times have we seen this! Why run a five yard crossing pattern on third and 8 or 9. Send Tolliver/Shepard/Randall on a sprint to the marker and square in with the ball there when the turn and it is a first down the majority of the time, provided they catch the ball. This is not a hard throw.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 12:55 pm to Rex
This is what is frustrating about all this "start Lee" mess. Clearly everyone with half a brain (including Miles) understands Jefferson's passing has to get better. But he has an actual point: stupid penalties & receivers dropping beautifully thrown balls don't help anyone playing QB, Betty White or Drew Brees included. But ya'll seem to think that somehow Miles will just flip a switch by sending some kid on a white horse into the game & suddenly all our problems disappear. That's just delusional. And all this "Lee has earned his chance or deserves his chance" is bunk: he had 2 perfect chances last season: Tech & Bama. What happened then? So now, suddenly, he's supposed to be some kind of savior for the team?
Miles is only point, which I think is a pretty good one, is that you have to fix some other things as well that will improve the QB play. But because he's not overreacting like some of you he's just stubborn and apparently doesn't want to win. The fact is neither QB is very good & he appears to be trying to work around that problem.
Miles is only point, which I think is a pretty good one, is that you have to fix some other things as well that will improve the QB play. But because he's not overreacting like some of you he's just stubborn and apparently doesn't want to win. The fact is neither QB is very good & he appears to be trying to work around that problem.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 12:56 pm to Rex
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Excuse me if I think a Div I quarterback should be able to pick up 8 yards a good 40% of the time... at least. A good one will do much better.
Ohio St is converting on 3rd down 40% of the time, Arkansas 38% of the time, and LSU 41% of the time.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 12:56 pm to pdxlsufan
One thing you can say about Lesticles in the past, he had balls. I think this year they're in a little pink purse somewhere. Thus, a 5 yard route on 3rd and 8.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 12:56 pm to tonydtiger
I think that a lot of those passes short of the marker are supposed to be drag routes which we simply do not know how to execute properly.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 12:57 pm to tonydtiger
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Why run a five yard crossing pattern on third and 8 or 9.
because, if our receivers run any further than that, our QB gets sacked...they should just run 3 step drops, quick pass, or run, that's all we have, no threat of the deep ball
Posted on 9/30/10 at 12:57 pm to RobbBobb
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Actually his paraphrasing was kind to Miles. Coach actually said, outside of Bret Favre, no other QB could do what was being expected
wrong. Here is his EXACT quote.
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I can tell you that anytime you are in a game where you are penalized as often as we were, that quarterback has a very difficult situation. Instead of going back there second and two, he is going back there at third and 12. A good majority of our third down conversions had to do with what was the penalty and the situation in front of him rather than the quarterback play. I can tell you when you are third and long and you rush three and drop all the underneath coverage to take away those routes, it is not the ideal time to throw a football. I would say any quarterback in that position minus Brett Favre might have a real issue.
You are emotional about the situation and clearly are unable to take his comment at face value.
This post was edited on 9/30/10 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 9/30/10 at 12:58 pm to TigerFanNKaty
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The man knows exactly what is going on. He watches it everyday. All he is doing is trying to make excuses so his quarterback does not end up on the lockeroom floor in the fetal position. Not saying it's right, but that is his mind set.
+1000
This post was edited on 9/30/10 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 9/30/10 at 12:58 pm to ForeLSU
How many 8 foot putts have you made when you hit it 3 feet?
Posted on 9/30/10 at 12:58 pm to Camp Randall
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Wrong. I think he knows eventually he's gonna have to give Lee a shot.
soooo... is he waiting to do it against Florida or Alabama? Woudnt that be setting the kid of for failure? If he knows he has to work Lee in, theres no way you can justify waiting until we play those teams to do it.
And the very thought of coddling a football player =
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