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re: Letter to Alleva (ok, I scratched the word "open", sensitive types)

Posted on 12/11/14 at 7:54 am to
Posted by rbdallas
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
10340 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 7:54 am to
IMHO
I do not care how much he makes.... IF IT IS TIED TO PERFORMANCE.

what I do hate, is the LONG TERM SECURITY contract.

....seems to always be a formula for disaster and lusterless performance.

just like Familiarity breeds Contempt
too much Security leeds to apathy.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57190 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 7:58 am to
quote:

Miles getting a raise upsets so many people and I honestly have no idea why. Do you think LSU can't afford it? Do you think he has no business getting a raise?


8-4, one of the worst offenses in the country, and a trip to the Music City Bowl (one rung above the Independence Bowl, IMO) says he has no business getting a raise.


Posted by Icansee4miles
Trolling the Tickfaw
Member since Jan 2007
29168 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:13 am to
quote:

Because I buy the product and pay a substantial TAF fee each year. Do the math. A Miles increase directly relates to TAF/Tradition fees and ticket prices. Always has and always will correlate. For those who watch on tv or are given tickets or buy single game tickets occasionally, well...they probably share your perspective and question. The others don't have to ask the question, and they are the ones who fund his salary to begin with


This guy gets it
Posted by TigerRanter
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2005
6703 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:12 am to
I couldn't care less if Miles gets a pay raise. I just don't think he deserves an extension at this time. Why would LSU handicap itself anymore than it already is. Miles has a huge upper hand right now against the university.
Posted by hashtag
Comfy, AF
Member since Aug 2005
27474 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:16 am to
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Why would LSU handicap itself anymore than it already is.
because they believe his value to the University is worth it? and it is hard to argue otherwise. There is no guarantee of getting a better coach than Les Miles. And, while we could take a shot with a dozen or so coaches who have a chance of being equal to Miles (maybe 3 or 4 with a legit shot to be better), it is just a chance. So, you can give Miles another $250,000-$500,000/year, add a year or two to his contract for the guarantee of sustained success (winning 10 games almost every single year).

Or, you can take a chance and end up paying another coach $500,000 - $1,000,000 less than Miles and having the program tank.

That's why they have given him raises and extensions. Because his value is worth it.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56444 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:18 am to
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Dear Sir:

Coach Miles is a brand unto himself, and has a 10-year record that is to be applauded.

At the same time, he does not deserve any additional raises if he decides to consider the Michigan job.

Since this is the third dance with the Michigan position, and since the first two dances yielded He and his agent with extensions and notable increases in salary, that game should not be played a third time.

Please call the bluff, or relent and let him go, if this occurs again.

If he loves LSU, his current salary is perfectly suitable, and he should be perfectly happy with staying based on his current contract.

If he chooses to go to Michigan, lets be understanding and thank him for being a great representative of LSU, and wish him the best as he moves back "home" to where it all started for him.

If he stays, great. If he leaves, good luck.

In either case, please do not change his contract.

Thanks for your consideration.



Who cares how much Miles makes? It affects nothing.

The real issue is the buyout. What Alleva should be doing is negotiating a raise with Miles in the short term while taking back years off the contract buyout. That way, should LSU decide its in the best interest of the program to move on 2-3 years from now, it won't be impossible.
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34146 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:32 am to
I would have no problem upping his salary to 5M if the buyout was removed.
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
7178 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:35 am to
"Why do you care what someone else makes?"

A little differnet here. Many of us on this board purchase season tix or in other ways support the program monetarily and that includes coachin salaries. A portion, albeit small, of Miles' salaray is paid by the taxpayers. These are different than normal private sector considerations that would cause me never to care "what someoen else makes." Coach Miles' salary is a little different.
Posted by TigahFan4Life
Baton Rouge, LA home of the TIGAHS!
Member since Aug 2007
10975 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:37 am to
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I couldn't care less if Miles gets a pay raise.


How could you not care if he gets a raise? He has done nothing to be given one. Do people not understand he is already making 5 mil!? One of the highest paid in the country already! Show me a reason to offer him a DESERVED raise. All of his accomplishments so far have been rewarded, which is why he is making what he is making. The argument is that he hasn't done anything to get another. Like I already stated earlier in this thread, if he stays and turns down the job, then fine. No issue. But if he thinks that LSU should up the ante, then he's crazier than we already know.

No idea why I get caught up in this....he isn't going anywhere.
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 9:39 am
Posted by TGK4LSU
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2005
2638 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:41 am to
quote:

I would have no problem upping his salary to 5M if the buyout was removed.


I agree, but Miles will never sign such a contract.
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34146 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:41 am to
LSU can barely make ends meet as it is with the restraints the Athletics budget has in place. Football money, bayou country fest money, etc...and once LSU gives academics 7.5M/yr its down to basically pennies.

Our recruiting budget is severely lacking and its showing. Facilities are aging and in need of upgrades to keep up with the rest of the SEC.
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
41292 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:44 am to
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Do people not understand he is already making 5 mil!?


4.3 mil while frauds like Sumlin make 5 mil.
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 9:44 am
Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
BR
Member since Jun 2008
17500 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:46 am to
I hope for your sake you put as much time and effort into your own life and career as you do a man making $4.5 mil to coach amateur football.
Posted by BayouBengalBoy
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2013
793 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:48 am to
I'm a big CLM supporter (though we continue to struggle at quarterback) ... and I must say that I agree with the letter to A.D. Alleva.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
24268 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:50 am to
quote:

A case can easily be make that in comparison to most of the highest paid coaches today for the results they have achieved, Miles is under paid.


He is paid well - I think it evens out. Urban Meyer makes a few hundred thousand more than Miles and he has 2 NCs and like 7 12+ win seasons in his career (three 13 win seasons at UF and three 12 wins seasons already at Ohio State). Jimbo Fisher is paid less and he has an NC, two undefeated regular seasons and is 4-0 in bowls there. Spurrier is paid less as well and he is the winningest coach ever at two schools. South Carolina might have even had a losing record all-time when he got there and he managed to get them to the SECCG for the 1st time ever and win a school record 11 wins three straight years to go with their highest ranking ever at the end of a year.

Penn State has to pay a lot of $ to draw a decent coach after what went on there. Texas is overpaying Strong, but they have it to throw away over there. Some of the others are getting paid a lot because they have coaches that have won for stretch of time at places that aren't known for winning or attracting the best athletes.
Posted by jhhingle
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2007
3108 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:52 am to
Don't give a flock what Coach Sum makes, that does not to do with me, but my TAF fees got o CLM directly or indirectly.
How long have you been a TAF member?
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
41292 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 10:00 am to
6 years
Posted by SpanishFortTiger
Spanish Fort, Alabama
Member since Dec 2014
1662 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 10:04 am to
Les Miles' salary is in proportion to the revenue he brings in for the school.

Picture the University as a house, the football program is the front porch the majority of people see. Les represents LSU very favorably.
Posted by the4thgen
Dallas, tx
Member since Sep 2010
1778 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 10:18 am to
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Because I buy the product and pay a substantial TAF fee each year. Do the math. A Miles increase directly relates to TAF/Tradition fees and ticket prices. Always has and always will correlate. For those who watch on tv or are given tickets or buy single game tickets occasionally, well...they probably share your perspective and question. The others don't have to ask the question, and they are the ones who fund his salary to begin with.



If you dont like it, dont buy the product. I know for a fact there are thousands of people standing in line to take your spot without complaining. You are not irreplaceable.
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 10:30 am to
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what I do hate, is the LONG TERM SECURITY contract.


I agree, but that's the way of the world when you looking at highly successful coaches. imo

The point of this thread was to say that if Mich. makes a play for Miles, LSU should not offer him anything to sweeten his LSU pot. I thinks that a silly approach to take in todays coaching market. The big time college landscape is littered with schools, Mich., Tenn., Neb., Fla., ND, USC, and such, who have struggled badly to make good coaching hires in the past 10 yrs. While that was going on, LSU was sailing smoothly over the coaching hire waters. To dump LSU back into those waters cause we are unwilling to pay the most successful LSU coach in our history more money, while other school are paying more or only a little less to coaches who have never seen a BCSCG, is bout as a dumb a decision as they could make if they follow the advice of some in this thread, but each to our own.


This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 10:37 am
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