re: Les vs CEO

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Expectations could not be really high this year considering we lost the best RB in college and lost numerous lineman.

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We lost Fournette, but returned Guice- a 1st team preseason All American. Many people (not just Tiger fans) felt we would again have the best RB in college.

Regarding the numerous OL losses, that wasn't an issue until the offseason. Those that left might not be starters, but could provide depth and play in a pinch. Initially, we were expected to have one of the BEST O lines in the country.

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Young and unproven WRs

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Chark returned, and he was the most clutch of the group last year. Made the most big plays, and was the guy Etling looked for. Not Dural or Dupre. It was Chark that Etling hit in that ill-fated Auburn play; Chark on 4th and long vs Florida. He, alone, should have been an established upper-tier talent, and the others would have been untapped potential.

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and a very young secondary

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Donte Jackson, Fred Toliver, Ed Paris- all played and had experience prior to this season. Others have emerged as expected, as they always have. This group is neither young nor untested, and is definitely one of the better groups in the conference (as we expected they would be).

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The wins over FL and Auburn show that this team is growing up

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and playing to it's potential

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We should of competed for more titles and had more 10 win seasons with the talent Les had.

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7 10 win seasons in 10 full, with another at 9 and a cancelled game vs McNeese. I'd go ahead and count that as a 10 win season in the usual sense.
3 SEC West Division titles, 2 SEC titles, 1 national title. We played for another SEC title, and for another national title.

So: an 80% rate of winning 10 games; 30% rate of playing in the SEC Championship, 20% rate of playing for the national title.
This, during an era where Alabama and Florida, both annual opponents, won multiple national titles, and Auburn, another annual foe, played for multiple. You could say that LSU "slipped" and let the other teams win, but when you consider the national angle, you can also say LSU remained very competitive versus extremely good opponents.

Did we jump on the panic button early this season? Yes, certainly. But look at things from the Les Miles era point of view- Les would have beaten Miss State and Troy, those were just given going into each season. No excuse can be made for Troy, and given how badly Auburn and Georgia dismantled Miss St, that loss looks really bad too. And keep in mind, had we followed Vegas, we beat State comfortably.

So, if this was a standard Les Miles year, having beaten both Auburn and Florida, we'd be Top 5, with a matchup vs Bama looming for a shot to be #1. We'd be almost certain for an 11 win season, 10 as a disappointment, and the very real chance to win a national title.
Instead, we're hovering near the bottom of the ranked teams, possibly a dangerous opponent but with zero hope of winning a national title. It's just such a wasted opportunity.

If les is so worthy as a HC, why is he still unemployed? I think administration moved in the right direction. Maybe there will be a better option in the future, but right now support what we have.

You do realize he's getting paid not to coach right now, right?

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Let it go. Celebrate CLM’s victories, laugh at his quirkiness, and root for CEO to be successful in the future

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Most people have done just this, but for some reason we still have posters like the OP who feel the need to start these kind of threads. I'm starting to think they do it more to convince themselves everything is fine rather than change everyone else's mind.

It's evident in the OP's edit this morning. As soon as Coach O is questioned or a positive spin is challenged, his supporters go mental and accuse everyone of wanting Les back. Space Cowboy has called other posters "Miles butt lickers" more times than I can count, just for saying his tenure was successful. That type of hostile nonsense is always going start the same crap again.

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but the future finally looks bright.

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Lets see...Miles had west titles, SEC titles, NCG appearances, more overall wins from 2005-2015 than any other SEC school, and NC.

Coach O has a 30 pt. L at Miss. St, a L at TS to Troy, and a come from behind win over #10, at the time, Auburn.

But in your eyes, "the future finally looks bright"???

At this point in time, I think you are nuts!

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Why is it that when someone wants to point out some positive thoughts on this program, people have to take every negative that they can think of to throw at them?

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But you didn't start this thread just to point out "positive thoughts". The thread title is literally "Les vs CEO" and some of the comparisons aren't supported by any data.

Recruiting to this point is not on par with recent years and more players have been lost to Bama than before. Offensive production is down from 2 years ago. All of this was backed up in this thread.

Two conference wins and hope aren't the basis for a bright-looking future. Pointing that out isn't negativity, praising Les, bashing O or whatever else you want to call it.

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Name one team Les beat that had more talent than LSU? I'll hang up and listen.

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Thinking about this for two seconds, how about 2010 Bama (who we beat with Jordan fricking Jefferson as our QB)?

Starters as follows:

Offense
Greg McElroy
Mark Ingram
Julio Jones
Marquis Maze
Darius Hanks
Preston Dial
James Carpenter
Chance Warmack
William Vlachos
Barrett Jones
D. J. Fluker

Defense
Josh Chapman
Marcell Dareus
Luther Davis
Dont'a Hightower
Courtney Upshaw
Nico Johnson
Jerrell Harris
Dre Kirkpatrick
Robert Lester
Mark Barron

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Recruiting to this point is not on par with recent years and more players have been lost to Bama than before.

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LSU had a lot of needs in recruiting this year. With Shelvin and Feoko (or WTH his name is) not playing, Dline is the only spot that I can think of that needs weren't met. 20 freshmen playing (most of them 4 stars btw), tells me that needs were met and made an immediate impact. They played like freshmen who have no college game experience, especially on the right side of the offensive line. You can't send the amount of talent/experience to the NFL that we did, install a new offense and expect to have the same results. If we aren't competing for championships with the depth and experience that these freshmen will have in two years then I will lose hope under CEO. I was a Les supporter all the way through to the Wisconsin game when I saw more of the same stagnant offense with an underperforming quarterback that the last 5 years produced (minus one year with Met and two NFL stud receivers). CEO wasn't my first choice, but until he develops a body of work (a half season is too small of a sample size to jump ship) that isn't worthy of being LSU's coach, I'm going to have hope. Tards who think LSU sucks and has no hope...life must be sad for you as an LSU fan.

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Y'all don't get tired of debating this shite over and over and over and over?

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Why is it every time someone calls someone else out for these kind of threads, it's always directed at a poster that is talking about the positive things that Miles accomplished at LSU. It's never directed toward anyone that wants to kick Miles in the nuts.

Seems to me that you should have replied to the poster that started this thread and chose the title "Les vs CEO"

And I do agree with you, next to nobody's going to change their mind about how they view Miles time here and these kind of threads are getting old.