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re: Les vs CEO
Posted on 10/17/17 at 10:56 am to Topwater Trout
Posted on 10/17/17 at 10:56 am to Topwater Trout
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17-6 @ 2 of the biggest programs in the country
And a 3-5 record against teams that are currently or finished the season ranked.
It's better than nothing I suppose.
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Posted on 10/17/17 at 10:58 am to Mo Jeaux
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Horrible analogy.
Is it?
Dabo, Jimbo, et. al. have all had lackluster moments. There is an irrational hatred for O by a large portion of this fanbase.
Was he a homerun hire? No. Was it time for Les to go? Yes. The program was becoming stale.
O is our coach now. I will hope for the best for him and for the Tigers. I'm loving the roll he and they are on right now.
Momentum is a helluva drug, and we has it right now.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 10:59 am to LNCHBOX
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This year's UF team is dogshit. We absolutely should have won this year, and we should have won last year to boot.
Beating Auburn this year was a good win.
I'm talking about actual teams overall ability to compete
Posted on 10/17/17 at 10:59 am to rantfan
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I'm talking about actual teams overall ability to compete
So am I. UF is dogshit. I feel like I was pretty clear.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 11:04 am to Mohican
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Dabo, Jimbo, et. al. have all had lackluster moments. There is an irrational hatred for O by a large portion of this fanbase.
A) I don't believe hatred is the right word.
B) Whatever people feel about Orgeron, it is pretty rational considering the results to date.
Dabo is one of the rarer cases in CFB. He started at Clemson with a clean slate, and they stuck with him after a lackluster 2nd year. He turned things around and the rest is history.
Orgeron doesn't have a clean slate, nor should he. His record at Ole Miss shouldn't be ignored if/when he struggles at LSU too.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 11:09 am to slackster
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His record at Ole Miss shouldn't be ignored if/when he struggles at LSU too.
10-25 at ole miss
17-6 at USC and LSU
is that not an improvement?
Posted on 10/17/17 at 11:11 am to slackster
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His record at Ole Miss shouldn't be ignored if/when he struggles at LSU too.
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Ole Miss
Ole Miss is a historical bottom feeder. He built that roster and eventually set it up for Nutt to go to back to back Cotton Bowls and loaded it with NFL talent.
I will judge him based on his results at LSU. Right now the mojo is good after a rough start. We just beat a Top 10 team and showed a ton of grit. It is much too early to call for O's firing.
In fact, it's stupidity.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 11:17 am to Mohican
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Is it?
Yes, it is.
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Dabo, Jimbo, et. al. have all had lackluster moments. There is an irrational hatred for O by a large portion of this fanbase.
Stop it. It's not hatred first of all. Second of all, it's certainly not irrational to think that he was not qualified for the job.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 11:18 am to Mohican
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I will judge him based on his results at LSU.
Fair enough, but his track record gives him a shorter leash, and rightfully so.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 11:18 am to Mohican
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Ole Miss is a historical bottom feeder. He built that roster and eventually set it up for Nutt to go to back to back Cotton Bowls and loaded it with NFL talent.
And yet they showed zero improvement while HE was the coach. His side of the ball, the D, actually got worse every year he was there.
When you're a bottom feeder, it's not difficult to show improvement if you're recruiting well. A coach brings in a couple of top 20 classes, they should be somewhat better by year 3.
For them to go from 3 wins to 9 wins after O was fired suggests that they were not fundamentally a 3 win team during Orgeron's last year. A good coach will show improvement year to year, even if it's only modest improvement.
Yes he recruited talent but he didn't get the most out of it, not even close.
If he can't get a bottom feeder team to a .500 record, how do you think he can get a top 25 team to compete for NCs? That's the much harder task.
This post was edited on 10/17/17 at 11:22 am
Posted on 10/17/17 at 11:21 am to Goldrush25
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Goldrush25
how old are you?
Posted on 10/17/17 at 11:21 am to Mohican
Cutcliffe was 44-29
Edward Orgeron was 10-25
Houston Nutt was 24-26
Not sure your premise has any validity .
Edward Orgeron was 10-25
Houston Nutt was 24-26
Not sure your premise has any validity .
Posted on 10/17/17 at 11:23 am to Topwater Trout
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how old are you?
38.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 11:24 am to Spankem
I see as
Dumb as frick vs Just fricking Dumb..
Dumb as frick vs Just fricking Dumb..
Posted on 10/17/17 at 11:25 am to slackster
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Saban took a 6-5 Toledo team to 9-1 in 1990, then became the Defensive Coordinator for the Browns. He comes back to CFB and takes over a MSU team without a winning season since 1990. Despite losing 9 scholarships to NCAA sanctions, he goes to 3 straight bowl games from 1995-1997. He then goes 9-2 in 1999 before coming over to LSU.
At LSU, he goes 8-4 with a team that was 3-8 the season before. Sure, he lost to UAB, but that team lost to Houston and barely beat San Jose State in 1999.
Orgeron came in with a 10-25 record as a head coach, and a losing record even including his two interim stints. He took over a roster that won 8 games the year before and promptly turned in an all-time worst performance against Mississippi State and lost to Troy at home.
They're not in the same stratosphere.
this entire post needs to be copied and pasted each and every time some numbskull decides it's a good idea to compare Orgeron and Saban.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 11:25 am to Topwater Trout
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10-25 at ole miss 17-6 at USC and LSU
is that not an improvement?
Sure, but we also fired a coach who lost an average of 3 regular season games per year since the NC appearance, so forgive me for not getting excited about 17-6 being an improvement.
We're also not recruiting at our usual level so far this year, which is the one area I thought Orgeron would be strongest.
Look, Orgeron will be the coach through 2018 in all likelihood, and I hope he wins every game during that stretch, but it's reasonable to still be concerned about the hire and the overall direction of the program.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 11:25 am to Goldrush25
old enough to know how bad ole miss was as a program. What do you think of Mack Brown as a coach?
Posted on 10/17/17 at 11:30 am to slackster
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forgive me for not getting excited about 17-6 being an improvement.
I am not excited just showing he has shown he is a better coach aside from being at ole miss
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We're also not recruiting at our usual level so far this year
didn't we have a good looking class until a few guys said they were opening up their search? i really don't know
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it's reasonable to still be concerned about the hire and the overall direction of the program.
without a doubt...i just don't think we should say he won't take us to a championship based on ole miss
Posted on 10/17/17 at 11:34 am to Topwater Trout
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What do you think of Mack Brown as a coach?
Don't know where we're going with this but ok. Good program manager, got lazy at the end when he didn't want to expend much energy recruiting.
This post was edited on 10/17/17 at 11:35 am
Posted on 10/17/17 at 11:41 am to Mohican
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He built that roster and eventually set it up for Nutt to go to back to back Cotton Bowls and loaded it with NFL talent.
This in fact goes completely against the point you are trying to make.
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