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re: les miles cant develop talent??
Posted on 9/9/10 at 11:43 am to WacoTiger
Posted on 9/9/10 at 11:43 am to WacoTiger
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I guess Mel Kiper is just stupid listing Drake Nevis and PP in his top 10
PP could have probably gone pro out of high school. He isn't developing these players they were going to play on Sundays no matter who is coaching. I think Miles is a great recruiter but as far as taking project players and helping them reach there potential, nope.
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Posted on 9/9/10 at 11:51 am to oleheat
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Go ahead- tell me that Miles won his title with Saban's players, next- I'm waiting.
uh, yes , he did, he won with his recruits, his coordinator (offense) and a defensive coordinator that has already proven to be a better coach then he was (by the turnaround of Nebraska)
Ill give him this...he has recruited well. and he did hire Bo Pelini...
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Whatever. If we win 9 games this season, lots of folks such as yourself will lose all credibility. Don't be shocked when it happens....
9 games...please grandpa...he better win at least 10 and go to a BCS bowl with what he has...anything else is considered failure, and his last two seasons have been that with what we have recruited as far as class rankings go...how do you go from top two in your conference to picked 4th in the West???
Saban and better coaching in Arky, Auburn...all miles did his first 3 years was let his coordinators (good ones run the team)with upperclassmen recruited and coached by saban.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 11:55 am to TigerSpy
I only wish Les could coach them up while at LSU. 
Posted on 9/9/10 at 11:55 am to Handsome Harry
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He isn't developing these players they were going to play on Sundays no matter who is coaching. I think Miles is a great recruiter but as far as taking project players and helping them reach there potential, nope
pretty spot on
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he better win at least 10 and go to a BCS bowl with what he has...anything else is considered failure, and his last two seasons have been that with what we have recruited as far as class rankings go...how do you go from top two in your conference to picked 4th in the Wes
BCS bowl isnt required because of how low our expectations have fallen, but I agree he better win 10 or hes in trouble. Not to mention 1 of those 10 wins better be Florida or Bama....
This post was edited on 9/9/10 at 11:58 am
Posted on 9/9/10 at 11:57 am to TigerFan55555
Boy, it sure is convenient to leave out the good years (05-07) and just put in the average years (08-09) when citing statistics or trends. I bet you are one hell of an investor with that strategy. Also, 9-3 is your "gold" standard for Saban (his record in 2004 before Miles took over), yet you say it is failure for Miles. Interesting argument.
This post was edited on 9/9/10 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 9/9/10 at 11:59 am to WacoTiger
Its because of the trend....
If we went 10-2 last year, and 8-4 this year it wouldnt nearly be that bad (or vice versa). It just seems apparent to a lot of people that there is 0 indication he can contend for the SECCG every 2-3 years.
If we went 10-2 last year, and 8-4 this year it wouldnt nearly be that bad (or vice versa). It just seems apparent to a lot of people that there is 0 indication he can contend for the SECCG every 2-3 years.
This post was edited on 9/9/10 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:05 pm to WacoTiger
we are 0-6 vs Ole Miss, Bama, and Florida in the last two years...that never happened under Saban...if Bama goes to a BCS bowl again this year...your the one that is wrong...cause that guy took two mediocre programs and made them into football powerhouses...Miles has simply taken a powerhouse and turned it mediocre.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:07 pm to TigerFan55555
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If your truely comparing Saban's record
I'm not.
I'm saying the Miles record of results at LSU is the best ever for an LSU coach here 5 seasons. If some can't respect the best results ever, so be it.
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)....it is amazing to me that someones brain could be that small...
Cause one might not think as you, it doesn't follow that they have a "small" brain.
We can't all be as special as you.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:08 pm to nwaLSUfan
The haters of Les Miles will NEVER give him credit for much of anything. That includes the number of wins, and the developement of football players.
When it comes to the "developement of players", the only credit they are willing to extend to Miles is for the players who DON'T develope into an NFL- caliber player. Most of the players coming through the LSU system don't make it in the NFL. "How unique".
The last time I checked, LSU has as many players on NFL rosters as anyone else.
Just more evidence that the negatiger naysayers will always be naysayers.
When it comes to the "developement of players", the only credit they are willing to extend to Miles is for the players who DON'T develope into an NFL- caliber player. Most of the players coming through the LSU system don't make it in the NFL. "How unique".
The last time I checked, LSU has as many players on NFL rosters as anyone else.
Just more evidence that the negatiger naysayers will always be naysayers.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:08 pm to TigerFan55555
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Miles has simply taken a powerhouse and turned it mediocre.
Sums it up.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:12 pm to WacoTiger
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Also, 9-3 is you "gold" standard for Saban (his record in 2004 before Miles took over), yet you say it is failure for Miles. Interesting argument.
Great point!!!
Hey- let's start another arguement using this!
Which team had more expectations- AND TALENT???
2004, OR 2009?????
ANYONE??????
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:17 pm to Handsome Harry
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PP could have probably gone pro out of high school.
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He isn't developing these players they were going to play on Sundays no matter who is coaching.
k. sheppard? perry riley? q johnson? these cats were all superstars out of high school that needed no coaching?
This post was edited on 9/9/10 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:21 pm to Lonnie4LSU
The last 3 years LSU under Miles has been on the Down Low.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:21 pm to TigerFan55555
quote:Saban lost 4 OOC games in his 5 years and Miles has only lost one. Saban lost to Auburn 3 times and Miles has only lost once. See. I can do that to.
that never happened under Saban
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:25 pm to oleheat
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When it comes to the "developement of players"
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The last time I checked, LSU has as many players on NFL rosters as anyone else.
So do you give DiNardo credit for developing Faneca, Faulk, McClure into NFL veterans?
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:27 pm to TigerFan55555
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we are 0-6 vs Ole Miss, Bama, and Florida in the last two years...that never happened under Saban...if Bama goes to a BCS bowl again this year...your the one that is wrong...cause that guy took two mediocre programs and made them into football powerhouses...Miles has simply taken a powerhouse and turned it mediocre.
Saban did this with Shula's talent too. Look, the year after CNS's BCS title what was his record? He lost to some pretty average teams, and if Jack Hunt, Jack Hunt doesn't make that grab, would've ended up in the Indy Bowl. We would have been calling for his head, complaining about underperforming, yada, yada, yada.
Les, inherited a young, raw, talented team. There were players developed by his staff, which because of their abilities have moved on to bigger, better things. He's gone thru some staff issues during the past 3 years, some good, some lacking. The jury is out on QB (Crowton) and o-line (Stud), the only real weaknesses (other than youth) I see here.
Let it play out and just enjoy what we have. Remember, we could have a situation like Ole Miss!!!
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:31 pm to nwaLSUfan
quote:I would consider these Saban players
Dwayne Bowe, Matt Flynn, word is still out on Tyson Jackson&Glenn Dorsey. Ali Highsmith
This post was edited on 9/9/10 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:34 pm to TigerFan55555
A much more reasonable post from you.....This I can deal with.
I am of the opinion that if we win nine games with our youth & this schedule, CLM deserves the chance to return.
If we stumble to 7 or 8, look for changes. I sincerely hope he does win 9 or 10. I will NEVER root against LSU.
Just my .02....
I am of the opinion that if we win nine games with our youth & this schedule, CLM deserves the chance to return.
If we stumble to 7 or 8, look for changes. I sincerely hope he does win 9 or 10. I will NEVER root against LSU.
Just my .02....
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:42 pm to Teacher
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The last 3 years LSU under Miles has been on the Down Low.
We won the NC in 1/08 and in 1/10 we were playing in the Capital One Bowl.
That's not "Down Low" material in my book, but each to our own.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:42 pm to oleheat
How can anyone doubt that Miles is developing young talent at LSU. Look at how Jordan Jefferson is progressing for Christ sake.
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