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re: Is the jury really still out on Steele?
Posted on 11/20/15 at 3:26 pm to therick711
Posted on 11/20/15 at 3:26 pm to therick711
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If LSU isn't going to consistently have a top offense, they absolutely always need a loaded defense. It is the Miles formula.
....and the best special teams money can buy.
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Posted on 11/20/15 at 3:26 pm to therick711
Honestly Alleva handcuffed this hire. I have a feeling he's going to screw this up and we will be Tennessee in 2 seasons.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 3:27 pm to jonboy
That is the most maddening thing. Other than the previous punt ugly BDP era, LSU under Miles always has had great special teams.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 3:28 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
I agree, the offense is the problem and Ryan shouldn't have been made the scapegoat.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 3:30 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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The defense suffers from the poor execution of the offense and special teams. Our defense plays best with a lead and poorly when from behind. We've seen flashes of how good this defense can be this season so I'm going to cut Steele some slack.
Agreed.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 3:30 pm to therick711
I would also submit the shitty special teams play is impacting the defense. You just can't give your opponents a 65 - 55 yd field every time they get the ball.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 3:30 pm to jonboy
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Chavis would have given up TD's & lost to MSU & Florida.
That's the thing, while the stats suck, would chavis d held up at the end of those games?
I just have this sneaky feeling the d wouldn't be that much better under chavis. Pass d would be most likely because of scheme. But his run d at Tamu is atrocious.
This post was edited on 11/20/15 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 11/20/15 at 3:33 pm to Ace Midnight
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but our secondary - 2 choices: They've underperformed or they're overrated - pick your poison.
Overrated.
-Adams showed last year that his coverage skills are a weeakness and that he isn't a burner. He is a good tackler and ball hawk though. Reminds me of Craig Loston.
-Mills has always been an average coverage guy.
-Rickey Jefferson has always been a project player.
-Corey Thompson was very promising and still is.
-Tre'Davious White is an outstanding CB all around.
-KT2 is a decent tackler and press coverage corner, very promising.
-DJ1 is undersized and still very raw
Posted on 11/20/15 at 3:36 pm to dgnx6
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That's the thing, while the stats suck, would chavis d held up at the end of those games?
I think it's pretty telling what the coaches at Minnesota said about Danielle Hunter's football experience at LSU.
I'm willing to give Steele a chance to correct it. Asking him to do it in one season is too much to ask of anyone.
He is trying to run a zone scheme. That's tough.
See FSU with Mark Stoops. They were 94th in the country when Stoops was hired. FSU played ONLY man coverage. Stoops implemented the zone and it improved to 50 in the first year, but they were still giving up huge plays. Then, they started being ranked in the top 10 in scoring defense every single season.
I'm not saying Steele will get us to those numbers but I am hoping to give us the consistency and development we didn't always see under Chavis.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 3:36 pm to dgnx6
Prescott would have picked apart Chavis's 'prevent but blitz a corner in the most obvious way' defense at the end. UF's QB looked real good until the last drive.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 3:42 pm to SabiDojo
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I'm willing to give Steele a chance to correct it.
That's what I'm saying. Besides, the guy can recruit. If it's proven he can't coach the defense should be stacked for the next guy.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 3:55 pm to Solo Cam
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he has tried to fit a square peg into a round hole by forcing us to play zone while our secondary is much more equip to play man
Trueth
Posted on 11/20/15 at 3:58 pm to SabiDojo
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We've seen flashes of how good this defense can be this season so I'm going to cut Steele some slack.
The defense has struggled against anyone with a good passing attack.
Gonna be a long day tomorrow against Ole Miss.
I never really never got the logic of hiring Steele, given what happened at Bama. I was hoping Coach O could offset some deficiencies, but that hasn't happened.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 4:02 pm to kingbob
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We knew coming into the season that we had the thinnest d-line since miles was here. We knew we had exactly 1 good linebacker (beckwith), and we knew we had a pretty baller secondary.
Well, the secondary was injury ridden and the d-line's lack of depth showed itself against Bama and Arkansas when the offense did nothing.
if this is how you truly feel then I'm not sure if you are being obtuse or just plain don't grasp it.
the secondary has not been "injury ridden", mills was hurt and quite honestly hasnt looked great since he was back, and white was hurt for like 2 weeks. what the secondary has been is a massive disappointment.
and yes, the offense didnt do the defense any favors, but @BAMA , bama got something like 60% of their yards in the first half, and lack of depth had nothing to do with the defense going down 14-0 with 13:00 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter last Saturday.
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We thought this was a 9-3 team coming in. They gave 2 losses with games to go. That is exactly performing to expectations.
Right, so you are being obtuse. Well, let me clear this up for you:
Judging the defense in terms of wins and losses is one of the dumbest things I have seen on this website, which is saying something.
Like I said in the post you responded to, this is the worst defense in 11 years under Miles. Why are we now lowering our expectations just because its Steele's first year?
Steele needs to geaux.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 4:04 pm to VetteGuy
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I never really never got the logic of hiring Steele, given what happened at Bama. I was hoping Coach O could offset some deficiencies, but that hasn't happened.
For the record, I HATED the hire, but I'm willing to give him a shot from what I've seen so far this season.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 4:07 pm to SabiDojo
Well, if reports are to be believed, unless Les runs the table, he will at the very least have to make pretty drastic staff changes--provided he keeps his job.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 4:07 pm to SabiDojo
why? this makes no sense whatsoever. LSU just gave up 7 yards a carry to arkansas.
ARKANSAS.
other than miss st (who scored 19), they havent held a single opponent to under 20 points.
and as another poster mentioned, LSUs (terribly mediocre) rankings are themselves inflated by the fact that LSU faced backup QBs @ cuse, vs E mich, vs SC, and vs UF. when LSU faced actual quarterbacks, ie Dak, Coker, it has not been pretty.
ARKANSAS.
other than miss st (who scored 19), they havent held a single opponent to under 20 points.
and as another poster mentioned, LSUs (terribly mediocre) rankings are themselves inflated by the fact that LSU faced backup QBs @ cuse, vs E mich, vs SC, and vs UF. when LSU faced actual quarterbacks, ie Dak, Coker, it has not been pretty.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 4:11 pm to Andre
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LSU just gave up 7 yards a carry to arkansas.
ARKANSAS.
An offense built to destroy undersized defensive lines & linebackers.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 4:25 pm to Andre
Because defenses typically take 2-3 years to adjust to a new coordinator. I believe the breakdowns in the secondary are due to unfamiliarity with the scheme. We will know if this is the case next year. If it's still happening, then it's definitely poor coaching.
However, this season has been won or lost in the trenches. Our offensive line shitting the bed the las two games has been unexplainable, but the d-line is less so. Coming into this season, they were young, undersized, thin, and raw. They wen up against o-lines far bigger, deeper, and better than them and got their shite pushed in. We'll see if they play better next year. If not, we'll know that it's poor coaching, not just poor depth.
However, this season has been won or lost in the trenches. Our offensive line shitting the bed the las two games has been unexplainable, but the d-line is less so. Coming into this season, they were young, undersized, thin, and raw. They wen up against o-lines far bigger, deeper, and better than them and got their shite pushed in. We'll see if they play better next year. If not, we'll know that it's poor coaching, not just poor depth.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 5:47 pm to kingbob
Funny, I don't recall Chavis needing 3 years.
Hopefully, with his job on the line, Les is les patient than you are.
Hopefully, with his job on the line, Les is les patient than you are.
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