re: Interesting perceptions vs. reality regarding the Miles and Orgeron offenses

Under Orgeron LSU executes the play action pass... Miles did not

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LSU is averaging less than half an attempt more with Orgeron than Miles. In fact, LSU is actually passing the ball 40.4% of the time with Orgeron and passed it 41.9% of the time with Miles.

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LSU passed the ball 38% of the plays in 2013 with Mett, Landry and OBJ. Then some where around 35% in 2014 and 2015. I would like to see what the passing on 1st down percentages were for those years with Miles and Cam compared to under Orgeron.

Not that it's all in the stats anyway. There is a lot more to it than that.

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OVerall on first half plays we are throwing the ball 46% of the time with Orgeron and 42% of the time with Miles

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That is not an insignificant difference.

I'm guessing it gets even more interesting broken down by quarter.

If I'm one dimensional as frick in a game and can't move the ball....... Then, upon falling behind, I throw a ton of passes in my final two series of downs, but you are diverse and thus, late in the game, you get to ram it down their throats, we might end up with the exact same percentages. But that's hardly informative.

Moreover, defenses with leads tend to keep things in front of them and give up bull shite garbage yards.

So. You and I might even end up with similar passing yards.

Finally. If, as a result of not being one dimensional, the backs go the frick off, that's going to affect the percentages of yards between passing and running.

This is but one more reason stat hounding by itself is dumb.

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So USM is an outlier but the 82 plays we ran against Mizzou should count? We ran 64 vs Ole Miss. Use that as the baseline if you want, but it is still 5 more plays a game than we were running.

I gave Orgeron credit for the impressive yards per play average overall. Should I discard the USM game from that metric?

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I think both samples are too small to make the kind of sweeping generalizations you're going for. Orgeron is taking the opportunity in his limited games to get additional reps. He hasn't shut blowouts down too early. He has had his team ready to play shitty opponents and Ole Miss. Saying we don't run more plays because Southern Miss was our bitch in the second half, as I already stated, misses the point. We're running more plays in normal games then we did under Miles. We are trying to make our opponents give up instead of our team being told the opponent gives up. We approach each drive with the goal of gaining yardage and trying to score instead of being tough guys and dictating to the defense that we're so much more masculine than they are--or whatever outmoded idea of toughness Miles was going for.

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This is but one more reason stat hounding by itself is dumb.

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It's part of the picture. I stated in the OP that I found the numbers surprising. I approached it trying to quantify what we've been seeing, if it was even possible.

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That is not an insignificant difference.

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People felt Miles throwing it 42% of the time compared to 38% or so last year was proof of his stubbornness. Either it is or it isn't a significant difference.

It was never about getting 50% balance. LSU is a running team...it is about being unpredictable, and utilizing the full field and all the positions on the ffield..on not being scared to throw from your own end of the field...of not letting the foot off the gas. This offense is light years better now.

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It's part of the picture. I stated in the OP that I found the numbers surprising.

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I didn't.

The proper way to be a power football team is to be able to just ram it late.

People think running sets up the pass. That is false. The ABILITY to run sets up the pass. It does so because teams can't just come out in pass coverage. They have to set up to defend the run. Only a fricking tard looks at a team selling out to stop the run and doesn't think, "make em pay for that".

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People felt Miles throwing it 42% of the time compared to 38% or so last year was proof of his stubbornness. Either it is or it isn't a significant difference.

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Again. You are looking at full games without checking distribution.

He always averages more passes in games he loses due to starting off one dimensional.

Hell. LSU threw 51 passes against Ole Miss last year. Fewer than 20 in the first half and even then, not really until we fell behind bad.

This year was no different. He only threw a tiny bit more because in two of the games he HAD to. Look at the Wisky game. Yeah. We threw 21 passes but 14 were in the second half and over half those were in the 4th quarter.

Miles was literally fricking retarded when it came to understanding the VALUE a serious run threat is to your passing game.