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re: Interesting perceptions vs. reality regarding the Miles and Orgeron offenses
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:48 am to slackster
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:48 am to slackster
Slackster. I always enjoy your posts
- looks to me like linemans splits are wider
- legs are fresher
- unpredictable play calling / timing
- passing game is more diverse . Different route trees than prior regime
- looks to me like linemans splits are wider
- legs are fresher
- unpredictable play calling / timing
- passing game is more diverse . Different route trees than prior regime
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:51 am to 7nette
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JD Moore injured
I thought he sat out for concussion protocol. He should be good to go for Bama. With that being sai, Mouton looked good this past week. Definitely had some key blocks.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:51 am to slackster
The difference is playcalling. Miles refusal to use the middle of the field severely inhibited his offense.
This wasnt an issue when lsu was vastly superior talent wise but when other sec west teams closed that gap his offensive flaws were killing us.
This wasnt an issue when lsu was vastly superior talent wise but when other sec west teams closed that gap his offensive flaws were killing us.
This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:55 am to cajunandy
As much of a big fan I am of JD Moore, that 2 TE-2 WR-1RB formation is so dangerous based on the amount of plays you can run out of it. And we are seeing it. It really spreads the defensive front 7 out to get better running lanes and is just easier on the Oline for blocking schemes. Plus on play action, the TEs have so many more route options than a FB out of the backfield. Puts even more pressure on the D.
That was a staple formation back in the day in Indy with Manning, James, Harrison, Wayne with Pollard & Clark. And you see it more and more today.
That was a staple formation back in the day in Indy with Manning, James, Harrison, Wayne with Pollard & Clark. And you see it more and more today.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:01 pm to slackster
The formations we use gives defenses more that they have to protect against. Play action on early downs keeps defenses honest. We go big when we use 2 TEs but when we spread the field like we have been doing defenses have to respect the pass. The key to our offense is being able to pass efficiently enough to keep defenses from stacking the box.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:13 pm to TheCaterpillar
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We also seem to be hitting way more receivers than before.
Seem is the key word. Dupre and Dural have basically the same percentage of total receptions with Miles and Orgeron.
Someone mentioned a good point earlier though - using more guys isn't as important as having those guys out there and running routes. We've shown that we will throw to them, even if only occasionally, so their presence on the field is still something to monitor.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:16 pm to Tiger Ryno
We're also actually making the defense respect the tight end by actually throwing to him. Chark was wide open on that TD pass because the DB bit on the tight end. Little things.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:17 pm to NorthTiger
Spreading the field is an interesting way to word it. It seems as though LSU has traded a vertical passing game for one that is more willing to work sideline to sideline. The latter has truly opened things up, or so it appears through 3 games.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:36 pm to slackster
More unpredictable play calling out of different formations, and a QB that can read defenses and throw accurate balls. Very simple, actually.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:40 pm to slackster
What is the completion % under O v CLM? How many pass plays for first down? How many successful pass plays on first down?
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:41 pm to slackster
We have a lot more big plays than before so we are scoring much faster. That's why the plays per game isn't a huge difference.
We are calling passing plays that Etling can usually execute. We are seeing slants more than I can remember and they are moving the chains.
Our running game has never looked better. I attribute that to the shake up on the Oline as well as the blocking scheme that Grimes has been changing.
We are calling passing plays that Etling can usually execute. We are seeing slants more than I can remember and they are moving the chains.
Our running game has never looked better. I attribute that to the shake up on the Oline as well as the blocking scheme that Grimes has been changing.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:47 pm to slackster
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I know Orgeron can't exactly overhaul the entire offensive side of the ball, but are all the impressive numbers really the result of such relatively minor tweaks?
Yes.
We are playing on a football field now, not a bedroom closet. Simple changes in offensive formations opens up space for our athletes to work. It's not that complicated however apparently it was very complicated for Miles.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:01 pm to slackster
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Others have suggested it is more passing plays - LSU is averaging less than half an attempt more with Orgeron than Miles. In fact, LSU is actually passing the ball 40.4% of the time with Orgeron and passed it 41.9% of the time with Miles.
We're COMPLETING 64 percent in the last 3 games as compared to 53 percent in the first 4 games.
That forces the defense to be honest.
Even if it's instant passes to the LoS. Which, "tangibly" there were about 8 of against Ole Miss. There were 2 that I remember against Wisconsin (both of which were our better plays of the day - a first down and a touchdown with Dural beating his man 1 on 1).
I think Fresher legs has a lot to do with it too.
All of this equals the 3 yards per play more we're averaging which produces the momentum and the energy for the D to see what they're playing for!
This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:09 pm to slackster
As you said its about personnel groupings and the same plays out of different formations. The main difference is they are not so predictable.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:18 pm to slackster
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We also seem to be hitting way more receivers than before.
Seem is the key word. Dupre and Dural have basically the same percentage of total receptions with Miles and Orgeron.
What about the rest of the receivers/TEs? I feel like far more players are involved in the passing game than before, even if the main guys are getting the same looks.
Also, the routes are "executable" instead of dummy routes and blocking assignments. My 5 year old niece could tell when Les was about to run the ball.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:20 pm to GRTiger
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I know you're solid on posts like these, but what is your source/methods for getting these figures?
CFB stats.com, ESPN play by play data, and some guy on an Ole Miss SB Nation blog who broke down the formations of Miles last two games and Orgeron's first two.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:21 pm to GeauxWarTigers
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We line up in double TE sets more now than ever.
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But we actually throw to those tight ends and our fullbacks now. We're running formations that scream traditional power run play, but passing out of them which is huge. Keeps the defense guessing when we line up like that and allows us to run more effectively out of it.
This X10000000000000000000000000000000000000000
this is what is making all the difference in the world.. DeSean Smith was one of the highest recruited players out of LA, he should be targeted 7-8 times a game.. It gets those LB's out of the box and one on one with Fournette and DB's and we've all seen how well that works out for the DB's...
Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:21 pm to slackster
The biggest change is using the passing game to open up the running game.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:25 pm to slackster
who cares how the O lines up. the bottom line is ball distribution, especially through the air
multiple TE's with catches
multiple WR's with catches
RB's out of the backfield
bootlegs
etc
multiple TE's with catches
multiple WR's with catches
RB's out of the backfield
bootlegs
etc
Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:28 pm to km
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The biggest change is using the passing game to open up the running game.
I think a distinction should be made here though. We're not throwing it substantially more in any situation than we were before. The difference appears to be the types of passing plays are easier to execute and we're completing them at a higher clip. Sometimes with Les it felt like we were passing just for the day of throwing the ball, not for any specific purpose or goal though.
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