re: Interesting perceptions vs. reality regarding the Miles and Orgeron offenses

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I've seen people suggest it is the result of significantly more plays, yet LSU is averaging less than 4 plays more with Orgeron than they did with Miles - hardly a noticeable number over the course of a game.

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How is it LSU's fault that Southern Miss let them score on basically every play they had in the third quarter and finished with only 43 plays as a result? That outlier is shaping the numbers. LSU in competitive games is getting more plays.

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Others have suggested it is more passing plays - LSU is averaging less than half an attempt more with Orgeron than Miles. In fact, LSU is actually passing the ball 40.4% of the time with Orgeron and passed it 41.9% of the time with Miles.

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You equate passing in high leverage situations where LSU is down with no time remaining with passing in normally obvious run situations. You continue to miss the point as many pro-Miles people do. Passing when it is an obvious necessity wasn't what people were clamoring for.

I'm glad we had a bunch of attempts against Mississippi State before half when we were trying to score (6 attempts, to say nothing of the botching of the clock). That's not the kind of passing attempts anyone is talking about. I'm similarly glad we let everyone on the team throw the ball against State on the tricky trick offense we installed for them. That's not what anyone's talking about.

I'm glad we passed the entire final drive against Auburn to try and win (14 pass plays called). Those aren't the kind of attempts we are talking about and those aren't the types of attempts Coach O's team has engaged in.

This continues to be the oversimplification of the issue. Reducing Miles to four games to overlook his obvious deficiencies in balance and in overall play running an opportunities for additional plays. Miles wasn't the coach for 4 games. Comparing two games where he had to be pass heavy because he trailed with an outlier game where LSU scored at will on very few plays does nothing to further the understanding of what we're seeing or what we used to see.

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This continues to be the oversimplification of the issue. Reducing Miles to four games to overlook his obvious deficiencies in balance and in overall play running an opportunities. Miles wasn't the coach for 4 games. Comparing two games where he had to be pass heavy because he trailed with an outlier game where LSU scored at will on very few plays does nothing to further the understanding of what we're seeing or what we used to see.

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I'm not trying to make a case for or against anything. I'm trying to lay out facts that help explain the differences, if possible, and other facts that help dispel some myths.

I laid out first half passing tendencies earlier. I posted first down passing statistics too. I'm just trying to engage in some discussion about whether or not we can quantify the differences outside of total yards, yards per play, and scoring offense. I see the same thing you see, but I also like to look at the numbers to prove the difference.

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spreading the ball out

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and actually throwing it to a TE makes a LB or S follow him out of the box instead of just honing in on the 1 or 2 recievers in routes

ETA: Germans. Hadnt read all the comments at time of post

jd moore had a stinger during the game.

How do you think the defence would perform if we had a majority of possessions in the first half that were three and out? When either the defence or offence is not performing well the statistics won't necessarily reflect an accurate picture.

When Lee was throwing all those pick sixes, the offence was trying to cover for Maleveto's meerkat defence.

Chart the defenses we face. I bet the 8-9 man boxes has been cut in half at least.

agreed.

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You are spreading misinformation about plays run because you fail to account for an outlier performance against Southern Miss. Using a data point where we kicked Southern Miss' dick in on 43 plays (almost 11 yards per play in that game) is just a skew for skews sake. By way of comparison, LSU got 8 yards per play against Ole Miss.

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So USM is an outlier but the 82 plays we ran against Mizzou should count? We ran 64 vs Ole Miss. Use that as the baseline if you want, but it is still 5 more plays a game than we were running.

I gave Orgeron credit for the impressive yards per play average overall. Should I discard the USM game from that metric?

The timing of the play calling is worlds apart. You can run all of the exact same plays but it takes knowing WHEN to run them.

Would love to see this just for first quarter. Once game is in hand, things change.