re: For those of you laughing at the idea of leslie being good at ole miss

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I don't really recall stuff like this. He never told the fans he was going to change.

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LINK

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“Do we want to consider change? You betcha,” Miles said.

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"Never."

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HailHailtoMichigan

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One has Canada and Aranda.

One will have Cameron and Chief.

Thought you were smart when you began this thread, didn't you?

This post is stupid. We don't have to take Coach O at his word. He litteraly set records for offensive production while he was interim coach. What don't you understand about that?

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You laugh at the idea that he will learn from his mistakes at LSU and be a positive force at Ole Miss.

Yet you just take Orgeron at his word when he assures you he has learned from his mistakes at OM and be a positive force at LSU.

Why the double standard?

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A 12-4 record at LSU and USC despite taking over under difficult circumstances is evidence of improvement. Miles has had no opportunity yet to demonstrate improvement.

The standard for comparison for Orgeron is three years at Ole Miss that ended almost ten years ago. The standard for comparison for Miles is an 11-year tenure at LSU that ended less than a year ago.

Succeeding at Ole Miss is harder than succeeding at LSU even under the best of circumstances. Orgeron, like anyone else, would naturally be expected to fare better at LSU than he did at Ole Miss, while Les Miles, like anyone else, would naturally be expected fare worse at Ole Miss than he did at LSU.

Impending probation puts Ole Miss in far from the best of circumstances, which would only exacerbate the problem just referenced above.

Ole Miss will never have the overall depth of talent across the lines to be able to win with the strategy that Miles used at LSU. The only way Ole Miss can be successful, and in fact the only way they have been successful in the last 40-50 years, is with a wide-open and effective offense, which is literally the weakest aspect of Miles' coaching, so he lacks the one crucial thing he would need to succeed there. The one crucial thing LSU needs to succeed is to successfully recruit, especially within the state. Recruiting is at least supposed to be one of Orgeron's strong points, so his abilities should be much better suited to the LSU job than Miles' are to the Ole Miss job.

Les Miles' offbeat and eccentric persona played well at LSU because A) he was winning and B) Louisiana people are a bit offbeat and eccentric themselves. The uptight old-South types at Ole Miss won't take to it nearly as well, especially if they are losing, which is likely at least for a while.

It's easier to build a fence around Louisiana for LSU than it is to build one around Mississippi for Ole Miss. Not only do they have another SEC program in the same state, but major powers Alabama, LSU, Auburn and to some extent Tennessee are close by and have been poaching the state for decades. Orgeron did a fairly decent job 10 years ago building a fence around Mississippi for Ole Miss, and Miles couldn't build one around Louisiana for LSU. There's good reason to think Orgeron will have more success building one at LSU than Miles will at Ole Miss.

Orgeron's poor record at Ole Miss and Miles' great record at LSU for the first several years were both greatly impacted by the stockpile of talent they both inherited. Cutcliffe was a good X's and O's guy, but didn't recruit well. As soon as Eli was gone, they had nothing. The talent Orgeron recruited in just three years went on to have good seasons under Houston Nutt until he ran out of it, while the talent stockpile at LSU gradually eroded over the last few years under Les Miles. From 2013 on, LSU had major talent deficiencies in multiple important areas every year.

So, that's a few reasons off the top of the head why it makes sense to be much more optimistic about Orgeron's chances at LSU than about Miles' at Ole Miss. By the way, Miles fanatics might want to remember some of these in case Miles does get the Ole Miss job and they need excuses in a few years.

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If Les Miles couldn't win at LSU with all its talent you honestly believe he can at Ole Miss?

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He didn't win at LSU?

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You laugh at the idea that he will learn from his mistakes at LSU and be a positive force at Ole Miss.

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Les will not succeed at a place where he can't simply outman 9 of his opponents per year.

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Yet you just take Orgeron at his word when he assures you he has learned from his mistakes at OM and be a positive force at LSU.

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I don't. I was an opponent of his hiring.

HOWEVER. Your comparison is invalid.

Orgeron was last a head coach 11 years ago. Saying he may well have learned in the intervening 11 years is an entirely different animal from saying, "yeah, Les is going to rise off his sofa and miraculously stop being scared of offense".

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Did Orgeron do something in the Florida game that you feel hurt Lsu's chances?

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You mean other than playing an obviously hurt guy who wasn't scheduled to play because of a pre-game fight, then letting that player stagnate the offense for most of the second and third quarters? Or do you mean other than getting wrapped up in an ego play that caused the players to lose focus?

You make a false equivalency. Orgeron =/= Miles. Miles demonstrated for four f*cking years that we would not change. Orgeron had success as interim at USC and LSU and has demonstrated that he will let his assistants do their jobs without interference. So, it is perfectly reasonable to believe that Miles will remain stubborn while Orgeron will continue to evolve.

CLM had the best talent in the country his last 4-5 years and still couldn't win titles with it. Coach O has never had elite talent. It would be great to see them swap and compare records in a few years.