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re: Dural: Harris "leading the way a quarterback is supposed to"

Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:56 pm to
Posted by No Diggity Tiger
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:56 pm to
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This isn't really accurate though. Jennings INT rate was higher than Harris. As bad as Harris was against Auburn, he didn't turn the ball over.


Well to be fair, Harris had 45 attempts to Jennings 227 attempts. You could extrapolate that to Harris throwing 30 TDs-10 INTs. (haha doubtful!) Point is, you could compare stats all day. However, Harris was clearly the more risk taking of the 2 Qbs last year. If he wants to start, he will need to dial it down a bit. That was all i was saying.
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 3:03 pm
Posted by SamuelClemens
Earth
Member since Feb 2015
11727 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:58 pm to
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Stafford's 2006 52.7% completions, 7TD with 13INT is cause for optimism regardless of who starts next year.


I would have bet against this on a "which SEC QB did this " board
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
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Posted on 4/17/15 at 3:06 pm to
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, but the defense was definitely the reason we lost to Notre Dame


So the LSU offense was like perfect??? Take LF out and there isnt much to talk about....The offense wasn't really that smooth at all....
Posted by GeauxToBed
Covington, LA
Member since Mar 2015
6113 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 3:43 pm to
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but expecting him to be like Stafford


Didn't realize I had said I expect Jennings to "be like Stafford." Thanks for clarifying my remarks!
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10456 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 3:57 pm to
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So the LSU offense was like perfect??? Take LF out and there isnt much to talk about....The offense wasn't really that smooth at all....


They'll ignore that LSU had 2 TDs by Fournette on either a kick return or 1 play 89 yard run drive.

The third drive was all runs where Jennings did absolutely nothing other than an initial 5 yard runs.

Then basically half Jennings yards came off a tricky play where a 4th string defense bit.

LSU's offense should've obliterated ND, yet they scored a resounding 7 points on a sustained drive of more than 1 play.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10456 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 4:02 pm to
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Didn't realize I had said I expect Jennings to "be like Stafford." Thanks for clarifying my remarks!


You claimed it as reason for optimism as if either QB is equal to Stafford who was the #1 QB recruit out of high school that year and had a cannon arm.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260191 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 4:06 pm to
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I agree with some of this, but the defense was definitely the reason we lost to Notre Dame. Man, don't deny it. The only times I had a gripe with Harris not getting play time. was earlier in the fourth against Kentucky, and in the game against Arkansas, but Harris was also injured at that time so that might explain it.


Fournette was the man vs ND. Jennings hit one long pass play which made up for half of his passing yards.

Jennings didn't play as poorly as he played in some games, but LSU should have thrown the ball all over Notre Dame.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26626 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 4:24 pm to
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So the LSU offense was like perfect??? Take LF out and there isnt much to talk about....The offense wasn't really that smooth at all....


Who said it was perfect? Why are you putting words in my mouth? You don't take LF out because he is part of the offense. That's like saying take Manziel or Cam Newton out. You would expect "the SEC's #1 defense" to do much better than they did.

This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 4:26 pm
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26626 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 4:25 pm to
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Jennings didn't play as poorly as he played in some games, but LSU should have thrown the ball all over Notre Dame.


Still wasn't the offense's fault that we lost.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260191 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 4:32 pm to
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Still wasn't the offense's fault that we lost.


It was feast or famine. The offense only had one sustained drive that resulted in a TD though I agree it was the defense that shite the bed.

Offensively we had two long TD's one sustained drive. The other TD was on a kickoff. We definitely had worse offensive showings last year for sure.
Posted by GeauxToBed
Covington, LA
Member since Mar 2015
6113 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:46 pm to
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as if either QB is equal to Stafford who was the #1 QB recruit out of high school that year and had a cannon arm.


You've got quite the imagination.
Posted by Mattwells90
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2013
3562 posts
Posted on 4/18/15 at 10:42 am to
Right. Harris couldn't even call the plays in the huddle on top of an injured ankle vs Auburn but please tell me again in your expert opinion why Harris was suited and ready to play the rest of the season. And you say I'm the idiot.
Posted by SouljaBreauxTellEm
Mizz
Member since Aug 2009
29343 posts
Posted on 4/18/15 at 10:45 am to
Harris had 1 true int and 1 hailmary int.. He also scored TDs on the ground.. Harris accounted for 9 TDs while Jennings accounted for 11 total TDs all season with the bowl game included..

Think about that.. 11 total TDs all season..
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 4/18/15 at 10:51 am to
Harris accounted for 9 TDs against NMST and MSST backups playing backyard football. Then he tried to do the same against a program of similar talent and went 3/14 and got hurt.

Now he's a year matured with actual knowledge of the playbook and can run designed plays.

Think about that.
This post was edited on 4/18/15 at 11:22 am
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70898 posts
Posted on 4/18/15 at 10:57 am to
his point has a lot more zing if you ask me..
Posted by SouljaBreauxTellEm
Mizz
Member since Aug 2009
29343 posts
Posted on 4/18/15 at 11:02 am to
Why doesn't Jennings need to dial it down when he's throwing pick sixes and multiple turnovers fumbling and throwing?? But Harris has 1 true int and he is the one that needs to dial it down? What in the actual frick? The guy was a fricking true freshman last season. Why is this so hard to comprehend for people?

Jt barrett of osu was a Rs freshman and threw 3 ints AT home and they lost to an inferior vt team.. But he was allowed to prove himself and went on to heisman like numbers until his injury. Kyle Allen of a&m finally got his first start AT home and they played like shite against an inferior ULM team.. And they had Kenny hill who was eligible to come back.. But what did they do? They stuck with their guy and their future.. And he went on the destroy auburn the following week.

Harris had one bad first start on the road as a true freshman but never once got to redeem himself. Now if it's because of that injury then I understand.. But was he still not ready in the bowl game??

Harris is the future. There was a point he lead the team to like 10 straight TDs.. And the only non TD was bc of a hail mary attempt.

People blame the defense for losing the notes dame game.. But with better offensive production we put that game out of reach. ND had literally 3 starters on D.. We scored 21 points off three big plays. 2 house jobs by fournette and 1 long passing TD to a guy wide open off busted coverage. With better qb threat we probably convert more drives into TDs and don't have to rely on fake fgs that are incorrectly called. Harris gets this team into the endzone when we get down there. It's truly a shame he never got an opportunity to redeem himself because he had some great match ups vs atm and ND to really light them up. Jennings best game against pathetic atm is still a very average performance at best. We still barely won that game when we should be lighting up the scoreboard off talent. Miles loves playing these games tight to try and stress out a win in the back end.. But we should be confident enough to play our best talent early and often and put up as much as possible.. We should be confident enough with the right talent to where if we do throw an int we can easily make that up the next drive..
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
17700 posts
Posted on 4/18/15 at 11:10 am to
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OK let's hear it. Since you can say Harris was undeniably better, let's hear your reasoning. How was his reading of defenses pre snap?How was his footwork? Did he look off defenders? How about checks at the line? How many broken plays occurred under him? I'm tired of posters like you spouting off that Harris was better without posting any sort of justification for your opinion outside of "he was just better man. It was obvious." So put on your coach hat and let's hear it. Actually break down Harris' game for me as a coach would.


Was he worse? Back that up.
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
65864 posts
Posted on 4/18/15 at 11:11 am to
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Well to be fair, Harris had 45 attempts to Jennings 227 attempts. You could extrapolate that to Harris throwing 30 TDs-10 INTs. (haha doubtful!) Point is, you could compare stats all day. However, Harris was clearly the more risk taking of the 2 Qbs last year. If he wants to start, he will need to dial it down a bit. That was all i was saying.


Wouldn't you rather the guy who is putting up far more TDs? Over a guy who is turning the ball over not only in the air but on the ground as well? Wouldn't you rather guy who accounts for more TDs per possession than a guy who managed to account for 11 TOTAL TDs all season long?

Scoring TDS outweighs any type of offensive numbers, luncluding turnovers.. Look at a guy like Boykin or Auburn's qbs.. and those guys don't even have the talent of a Harris. they turn the ball over, but they also put up multiple TDs.. This is why when Miles came out after the season ended and said we need to pass for 250 yards a game I cringed.. The amount of passing yardage is irrelevant. Especially if we are a run heavy team.. but what DOES matter is once we get to the redzone we have the ability to get the ball in the endzone.. whether it's running the qb (harris had rushing tds.. jennings had 0) or throwing to the endzone (harris actually utilized a guy like Dupre's talents and got him like 3 TDs? maybe 2? in very limited action) or just the fact the defense has to respect a guy like Harris more.. it opens it up more for the backs to get into the endzone.. The fact remains Harris had the team getting into the endzone when JENNINGS did not.

Period.
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
17700 posts
Posted on 4/18/15 at 11:21 am to

If you were the head of a big company and you had an employee that came to work early every day, worked hard, stayed late, had a great attitude, but made you no money, would you still keep him?
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 4/18/15 at 11:27 am to
Is he an executive or a custodian?
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