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re: Dural: Harris "leading the way a quarterback is supposed to"

Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:21 pm to
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26626 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:21 pm to
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We went 8-5 last year basically because of QB play. With all the talent we had on the roster how is that the right decision? I still say if we were not able to win the SEC west then give the QB that is going or is supposed to be our QB of the future more playing time. Hey I don't mind the fact that they started Jennings, but when he wasn't effective "the Arkansas game is a perfect example" not letting Harris play at all is absolutely inexcusable.


I agree with some of this, but the defense was definitely the reason we lost to Notre Dame. Man, don't deny it. The only times I had a gripe with Harris not getting play time. was earlier in the fourth against Kentucky, and in the game against Arkansas, but Harris was also injured at that time so that might explain it.

Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26626 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:27 pm to
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Watch it change if he ever is demoted to pine rider.


This is the rant people. Hmmm, what did he do for Harris when he was taken out against MSU and NMST? Watch the sidelines and tell me what he did.

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We don't have a clue what will happen, but a repeat of last year wouldn't surprise me at all.


It would surpise me. You have to regress to be as bad as they were last year. With a QB coach, improved WR play, and tons of game tape on the field and experience, I don't believe that will happen for a second.
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29263 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:29 pm to
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Jennings played that game as well and was equally ineffective in relief.



he never led them to a scoring drive. not even against backups. which is what he was playing against when he came in at 34-7
Posted by geauxldeneye
bossier city, louisiana
Member since Jun 2007
227 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:31 pm to
{ "Hey I don't mind the fact that they started Jennings, but when he wasn't effective "the Arkansas game is a perfect example" not letting Harris play at all is absolutely inexcusable."}

Think about what you're saying; if Miles would have put Harris in the Arkansas game we probably would have lost.....Ummm, nevermind.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26626 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:35 pm to
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There is no true apples to apples. Jennings played that game as well and was equally ineffective in relief.


What I saw Jennings do in that game, was much more than Harris. He didn't panic, then run away when his first read wasn't open, and actual got the ball to the player. I guess y'all need a refresher course on passes flying high over everybody's head including one that almost got Quinn decapitated. Or running immediately when there was no reason to at all, or fumbling the snap, or running the wrong way, etc. Jennings looked much better in comparison. His completion percentage in that game was more do to some of the contested balls being knocked down. Go look it up, it's a video of both of their play on youtube in that game.

I want both of them to succeed, but I'm not going to lie just to prop one guy above the other like so many people are doing on here.
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 1:38 pm
Posted by justustm2
Member since Sep 2005
4158 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:36 pm to
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There have been plenty of reports over the course of the spring that have pretty much said the same thing about Harris FYI.


Links? Because I have seen the exact opposite.


I was thinking the same thing. Then I remembered many make stuff up to support their position. I believe that was made up out of thin air. In other words a lie.
Posted by Mr. Wayne
Member since Feb 2008
10047 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:45 pm to
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I guess y'all need a refresher course on passes flying high over everybody's head including one that almost got Quinn decapitated


Not at all. Harris played absolutely terrible. He went out and laid an egg when he had the chance to win the position for good. Amazing it was still the second worst QB performance of the season.

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Jennings do in that game, was much more than Harris


Zero scoring drives against backups. So no, he did not do more.

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He didn't panic, then run away when his first read wasn't open,


No, he panicked and took a sack. Jennings might not have looked for his second receiver all season.

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or fumbling the snap


Harris didn't turn the ball over on a fumble all season. Jennins had at least 2.

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Jennings looked much better in comparison. His completion percentage in that game was more do to some of the contested balls being knocked down.


He played against backups and still couldn't produce any points. He had one of his best completion percentages though. (50 %)

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I'm not going to lie just to prop one guy above the other like so many people are doing on here


Except that you are lying just to prop one guy above the other. If you want to say Jennings didn't have as bad of throws as Harris did in that game, I would agree. At no point did he ever look good in comparison.
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 1:50 pm
Posted by Lithium
Member since Dec 2004
61885 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:46 pm to
Harris ain't starting and if I was him I'd be departing.

Les falls in love with QBs and doesn't stray from them
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:55 pm to
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Harris ain't starting and if I was him I'd be departing.


All that would do is confirm that they made the right choice with Jennings. He's at LSU barely one year and you think he should quit?
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10456 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:01 pm to
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Stafford's 2006 52.7% completions, 7TD with 13INT is cause for optimism regardless of who starts next year.


There is a slight difference in the physical abilities of Stafford and Jennings. One has one of the strongest arms in the NFL while the other has a very weak arm (relatively speaking). Stafford was a true freshman in the same position Harris was while Jennings had been in the system for over 1.5 years.

I am not saying Jennings can't get better, but expecting him to be like Stafford shows your lack of understanding of the two situations.

Also, anyone saying we'd have lost tons more games with Harris at QB are kidding themselves.

LSU lost to Bama, MSU, Auburn, Arkansas, and Notre Dame.

LSU won the Ole Miss game on defense, so I doubt Harris loses that one. LSU won the UF game with a rushing attack and AJ was more likely to turn it over.

In the end, LSU is what, maybe 7-6 instead of 8-5, yet Harris would've gained a lot of experience. Instead, he barely saw the field, and LSU still lost with AJ at the helm mostly because of anemic offense. LSU might actually have beaten MSU with Harris (albeit not a sure thing).

Neither QB was winning the Auburn game.

Posted by No Diggity Tiger
Member since Apr 2013
152 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:04 pm to
Harris is undoubtedly saying the right things this year and its great to hear. However, when it comes down to winning the QB starting spot, he will have to show Les that he isn't as much of a "wild card" as he was last year. Like it or not, he would need to take a page out of Jenning's book by being cautious and throwing the ball away when it isn't there, as Jennings smartly did many times last year. (Maybe too many) Much to the ranters dismay, this is Les Miles football. We ground and pound, and take our chances when the defense dares us.

Let the saga continue! Team Jennings vs Team Harris

Posted by Mr. Wayne
Member since Feb 2008
10047 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:06 pm to
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All that would do is confirm that they made the right choice with Jennings. He's at LSU barely one year and you think he should quit?


Different side of this argument from you, but you are 100% right. Again, this isn't some mass conspiracy. If Harris is clearly leaving Jennings behind, he will start. If it's close, Jennings is going to keep the position. A backup has to truly beat out the guy ahead of him.

If nothing else, Harris will close the gap enough to where Jennings will have a much shorter leash. If AJ does start and stink it up again, we will see a change.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10456 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:09 pm to
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Well they're about to say that he's already outperformed AJ in the Miss St and SHSU games, even though coming in as a backup those games aren't apples to apples comparisons. The apples to apples comparison was the Auburn game, where he started and was specifically gameplanned against.


Yet in the NMSU game, didn't AJ prove exactly the same thing against a worse opponent at home?

Harris sucked against Auburn, but he got one shot and was not given a chance to prove it a fluke. Instead, you had AJ in JJ-like fashion playing horribly with no repercussions.

People hate on JJ for the type of player he turned into, but he became exactly that QB that refused to admit he sucked at times because of how Miles refused to give him consequences for poor play. Instead of learning from that mistake that stunted both Lee and JJ's growth, he's making the same mistakes with AJ.

This isn't shocking given we are talking about Les Miles.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73474 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:10 pm to
I'll trust Dural on this. He has the most experience and had Mett throwing to him. This sounds like progress to me and gave me a little boost of confidence.
Posted by SouljaBreauxTellEm
Mizz
Member since Aug 2009
29343 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:11 pm to
Idiot.

Comparing Harris one bad game making his first start on the road as a true freshman to Jennings 48% completion percentage for a season is insane.

I've posted it so many times I don't even care to go into any more but tons of freshman quarterbacks have bad first starts but they are given more opportunities to prove their talent and do so.
Posted by Mr. Wayne
Member since Feb 2008
10047 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:17 pm to
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take a page out of Jenning's book by being cautious and throwing the ball away when it isn't there, as Jennings smartly did many times last year.


This isn't really accurate though. Jennings INT rate was higher than Harris. As bad as Harris was against Auburn, he didn't turn the ball over. Even with Jennings rarely taking a chance, he still turned the ball at a high rate when compared to his attempts. Harris needs to do one thing. Make sure he doesn't turn the wrong way on a handoff. We were not going to be prolific passing wise last year and could not afford to give away an opportunity for LF to get a carry. We were far too inefficient on offense for either QB to give a play away like this. If Harris gets a handle on this, his legs will actually suit him to Miles moreso than Jennings as it is another way to eliminate wasted plays.
Posted by Lithium
Member since Dec 2004
61885 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:22 pm to
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He's at LSU barely one year and you think he should quit?


If he's not getting a farir shot why should he stay? To back up until he's a Senior and then have a great year and everyone say how he matured over 3 years?
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:36 pm to
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Les' s job is to win games. Harris would not have done this last year.

AJ isn't the answer but he was the only option last season.


Let me get this straight. You think Harris would have had a worse year statistically than the worst statistical qb in modern history of LSU?

Harris had a bad outing and AJ came in against Auburn. He did no better. Check the score.

Yet when Harris replaced AJ, he ALWAYS had better performances.

Yet you surmise AJ equated to LSU having more wins last year. Please explain.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:39 pm to
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If he's not getting a farir shot why should he stay? To back up until he's a Senior and then have a great year and everyone say how he matured over 3 years?


Why would you say he's not getting a fair shot? He said himself that he wasn't ready last year. Isn't that enough for you?
Posted by nwfloridatiger
century fl
Member since May 2014
107 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:49 pm to
This times 10000000. I get so tired of idiots on here saying harris would have done worse than Jennings. When you have statistically one of the worse qbs in the country you can really only go up. Maybe at the worse it would be a lateral move. Not sure how anyone can justify not playing harris more last year.
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