He then goes through every single player listing why they left, and NONE of them have anything to do with our offensive production.
If it's because we have more NFL quality players, then that just shows that LSU coaches aren't getting the most out of them, or they would be winning NCs the way Bama does
quote:"Sailing, sailing..." Try to explain it away, excuse it, blame Crowton, "understand the struggles" all you want.
That said, there is a difference between actually understanding some of the struggles that we have had trying to get back on track since Crowton's mishandling of the 08/09 seasons and being "complacent" in a "happy little boat".
quote:he certainly had a terrific game and season, that's for sure; however, he was a unanimous all american the 2011 outland trophy winner. i honestly don't remember what the projections were had he gone pro last year, but the last 5 outland trophy winners before him all went in the first round.
Barrett? Yes he did. The BCSNCG was like a 3 hr paid advertisement for him.
"understand the struggles" all you want.
Complacency is complacency. The shoe fits. Wear it.
An idiot can look at LSU on TV and know that this is a team that for some reason(and I'm really clownin on that) hardly throws the damn ball on offense except in certain situations. And you cannot win the important games like that,
quote:Clearly, you have cornered the market on wisdom, on being the one guy who truly loves LSU, on being the sage and master of this vaunted Rant community. Congratulations to you. You also do great in the Name-Calling Dept. for one who poses as a positive influence on all us benighted fools who grasp nothing, as compared to your superior level of knowledge, preferring to rant and rave out here in nega-land.
"Understanding" = complacency...classic...you are certainly not complacent, cause you clearly don't understand shite...You and your ilk all bitch and moan, mainly because you don't know what the frick you're talking about.
conclude that the PRIMARY reason for this exodus is due to the current coaching staff (offensive) and putrid offensive scheme that has ranked in the mid 80's for the third year in a row
I conclude that the PRIMARY reason for this exodus is due to the current coaching staff (offensive) and putrid offensive scheme that has ranked in the mid 80's for the third year in a row.
Shouldn't the same reasoning apply to players everywhere? Why don't we see players leaving other schools in the numbers that leave LSU early? If it's because we have more NFL quality players, then that just shows that LSU coaches aren't getting the most out of them, or they would be winning NCs the way Bama does.
This is what the juniors leaving LSU are really saying.
BUT, the parts that make others stay, like B Jones @ Bama or Barkley @ USC or Murray @ Georgia, is that they know they will have the opprtunity to put up big #s and get better thru coaching. I mean they are CONFIDENT in the system and coaching.
Right now, LSU's players do not have that confidence, with damn good reason, to think that LSU will change anything to fix the 3rd yr of struggles. Remember, although they are young men, these guys know more about what's going on than you will ever know about the issues.
SO everyone quit bashing people for saying why players leave. Whats going on is they aren't finding confident reasons to stay, which is spot on.
So the Defense left because of the poor offensive scheme?
When did I call anyone names?
quote:I guess that's your friendly way of calling somebody you don't really know stupid. And then you said...
you clearly don't understand shite.
quote:Me and my ilk? I suppose lumping all the "stupids" together into one pathetic bundle makes you more of a man and a better LSU fan? But then you said...
You and your ilk all bitch and moan
quote:What is this? A friendly way of describing somebody? A mature way to persuade someone who has a differing point of view? Or simply an ad hominem attack, which you can get away with in the anonymity of a team message board?
mainly because you don't know what the frick you're talking about.
quote:Now let me say this. What you posted there, I can almost totally agree with and say we're close to even in our assessment. Except I think Coach Miles has to do more than tweak his offensive staff. I don't have confidence in their ability to perform on the elite level. And I think that Coach Miles does not have a real aptitude for calling offensive plays during a game situation. So I believe that Coach Miles and a real OC hire other than Studwara can turn the LSU offensive problems around. But Coach is going to have to do the heavy lifting and make the changes, like soon or 2013 isn't necessarily going to be pretty.
You see, when people who believe 100% the same as you do that the O needs to improve dramatically, yet believe Miles and his staff are capable of achieving that improvement, we are "complacent" and sailing in denial.
quote:is giving a little too much benefit of the doubt to the offensive end of LSU football. It is the basic function of coaching to take average or above average players and coach them up to a competitive level. We see this on so many, many teams every year. Not all are born Tim Tebows or Johnny Footballs. Most reasonably successful QBs have been coached well and are given an offense they can operate within their skill set. Not sure that happens at LSU, and I believe that's what we're looking at when we see QBs who aren't performing up to expectations, underutilized tight ends, and wide receivers who can't, don't, or won't receive.
despite every effort in recruiting, LSU simply did not have QBs able to fully attack SEC defenses
quote:I can understand that. But lumping every concerned poster into your "Miles is stoopid brigade" bundle isn't fair or even particularly helpful to having real discussions about hopes, concerns, and differences of opinion. Sorry you're tired of it, but a lot of us are tired of Coach Miles making promises he doesn't keep about players and schemes, and his trying to force square pegs into round holes on the field and on the coaching staff (see: Malveto, Studwara). A lot of us believe that while LSU has been among the elites during the period of the 2003-2011, LSU could have stood alone as "the" elite. Especially last year 2011. And we are frustrated to see the success a certain Nick Saban has had at Alabama during his tenure there and are tired of being accused of being on his bandwagon because we point to a coach who "gets" it and does the hard work of coaching with attention to excellence, excellent use of his personnel and staff, and attention to every game detail. Not that I want him back at LSU. I do believe that Coach Miles is every bit his equal when he's focused; plus he appears to be a much nicer, friendlier face on the Tiger sidelines than Saban. I just don't know what it takes to keep CLM focused and that is a frustration. Seems like there's always some aspect of the LSU game that's flapping in the wind like a flyaway tarp on a truck bed.
Many of us are excited about what that means for next year with a consistent OL lineup and a few more explosive options at WR than the slot type receivers we relied on this year. But it's impossible to have discussions about those hopes without constantly being bombarded by the Miles is stoopid brigade, and that just gets a little old.
You guys can bash miles for a lot of things, but yall are going way too far this time. There is no descension in this program and you guys are seriously reaching and trying to take any jab at Miles.