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Posted on 1/10/13 at 9:26 am to FulshearTexasTiger
No one can get in a players mind to know what he is truly thinking. But you can make logical assumptions.
1. NFL caliber players leave college early for money and fulfilling the dream of playing pro ball.
2. NFL caliber players turn down the NFL and return to college another year to improve draft stock and to win a championship at their school.
If they don't feel they can accomplish either objective in #2, why would they stay? This is what the juniors leaving LSU are really saying.
1. NFL caliber players leave college early for money and fulfilling the dream of playing pro ball.
2. NFL caliber players turn down the NFL and return to college another year to improve draft stock and to win a championship at their school.
If they don't feel they can accomplish either objective in #2, why would they stay? This is what the juniors leaving LSU are really saying.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 9:28 am to roscoe mike
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1. NFL caliber players leave college early for money and fulfilling the dream of playing pro ball.
2. NFL caliber players turn down the NFL and return to college another year to improve draft stock and to win a championship at their school.
3. NFL caliber players see Matt Barkley go from a top 10 pick int he draft to a bottom first rounder when he came back
4. NFL caliber players are at LSU to play in the NFL and know that they are one play away from being injured and never fulfilling their dreams.
5. Fire miles?
Posted on 1/10/13 at 9:31 am to Ash Williams
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5. Fire miles?
No. Just fix the O.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 9:33 am to roscoe mike
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5. Fire miles?
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No.
you, sir, do not belong on the rant
Posted on 1/10/13 at 9:36 am to FulshearTexasTiger
To the OP, do you think this thread or your ideas are some new, breathtaking revelation that hasn't been posted on this same forum 83826 times since the fricking chicken bowl?
Good god dude..
Good god dude..
Posted on 1/10/13 at 9:39 am to FulshearTexasTiger
You sure that was the correct link?
If so..how did you come to that conclusion
If so..how did you come to that conclusion
Posted on 1/10/13 at 9:41 am to stephendomalley
Posted on 1/10/13 at 10:27 am to Ash Williams
All the platitudes are nice and all, but everyone knows why Miles flew around the country to talk to Randle and Shep lst year.
Everyone knew those boys were leaving because of the offense. Randle still makes that very clear (as does Toliver). Miles convincing Shep to come back to better his draft position was clearly BS on Miles' part. He had no intention of increasing Shep's touches, and was only intending to save face. Just as he had no intention of leaving for Arkansas.
Notice how he aint flying anywhere to stop anyone this year. Nobodys buying the BS anymore. The floodgates are open. And what Miles feared would happen last year (his philosophy would be questioned) is exactly what everyone is talking about this year, even in the Detiller interview.
So just accept it for what it is. Miles took over in late '08, put JJ in as QB, and shut the offense down. The defense and ST are now expected to win him ballgames. It aint changing folks.
Everyone knew those boys were leaving because of the offense. Randle still makes that very clear (as does Toliver). Miles convincing Shep to come back to better his draft position was clearly BS on Miles' part. He had no intention of increasing Shep's touches, and was only intending to save face. Just as he had no intention of leaving for Arkansas.
Notice how he aint flying anywhere to stop anyone this year. Nobodys buying the BS anymore. The floodgates are open. And what Miles feared would happen last year (his philosophy would be questioned) is exactly what everyone is talking about this year, even in the Detiller interview.
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one can be critical of Les Miles' gameday management, his late game playcalling at times and the Tigers inability to develop a strong passing game
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There needs to be a change in this offense from a coaching standpoint and from a scheme standpoint.
So just accept it for what it is. Miles took over in late '08, put JJ in as QB, and shut the offense down. The defense and ST are now expected to win him ballgames. It aint changing folks.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 10:41 am to YouAre8Up
quote:Now it is clear that the other side of that same coin is not named yet, but I'll call it the "Complacency Syndrome" in honor of a coach who sees (or admits) no real problem with the offensive coaching & schemes, the lack of QB development, and the general malaise rooted in LSU's offensive performances these past 5 years (give or take). The "Complacency Syndrome" is rampant among the sunshine pumping ranters here, who can accept nothing that might rock their happy little boat or hold CLM accountable.
Saban changed the way LSU fans looked at themselves and even gave their old ways a name — “catastrophe syndrome.”
Did the players leave, some of them, all of them, none of them - because of the money? Or because they saw LSU had taken them as far as they could go under CLM's coaching? That seems to be the burning question among the catastrophe people and the complacency people here.
But since we can't get inside any of the players' heads and know for sure why, this is material for speculation on either side of the question.
And thus fair game for the Rant.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 11:22 am to JawjaTigah
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There needs to be a change in this offense from a coaching standpoint and from a scheme standpoint. They will always be a good running team, but they need to fully develop Zach's overall skills as a passer and be better at using all the weapons, especially the backs and tight ends, in their passing attack
In the Ala game when everyone was raving about how Mett finally looked like a QB was the 1st game where LSU utilzed the TE's and RB's in the passing game.LSU was 9 for 9 passing to the TE's and RB's.41% of the passing yardage in the Ala game was to the TE's & RB's.It opened up the WR's to one on one coverage and made the running game more effective.Hopefully,Miles will finally take note from the NFL Draft Experts assessment of the problem with the LSU offense and make the appropriate changes.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 11:49 am to JawjaTigah
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The "Complacency Syndrome" is rampant among the sunshine pumping ranters here, who can accept nothing that might rock their happy little boat or hold CLM accountable.
Who here has ever said that they are happy with the offensive production?? Point them out to me, and I'll join in your mockery of them.
That said, there is a difference between actually understanding some of the struggles that we have had trying to get back on track since Crowton's mishandling of the 08/09 seasons and being "complacent" in a "happy little boat".
Many of us are encouraged that we have a staff that can continue to win at an unprecedented rate in LSU's history that went up every year since 08 DESPITE not having a reliable QB to run a complete offense.
This season, with a much more capable QB, we took a step back with OL and WR production, but still saw flashes of a much more dangerous attack, most notably against Washington before the OL fell apart and despite countless WR drops, then against the #1 team and defense in the country against Alabama, continuing against 2 SEC teams in a record setting 3 game stretch.
Why is it that so many of the "Catastrophists" refuse to acknowledge even the possibility of improvement from this staff that has continued to win despite huge talent deficiencies at the most important position on a football team??
Are they being objective and unbiased?? Or do they have a more personal and long standing dislike and lack of respect for our coach, despite him continually disproving their warnings of impending doom of the program since the Tennessee game in 2005?
This post was edited on 1/10/13 at 11:51 am
Posted on 1/10/13 at 1:08 pm to oilfieldtiger
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Did any of these guys significantly raise their draft stock by staying another year?
Barkley is 1 or 2 this year in draft qb projects, so his combine will tell...BUT his motive was a chance to do something great in the offense which would have handed him the heisman....it was there for the taking.
Murray? Jury still out, but we'll see. He will be in top 5 preseason in Heisan watch. But do you think he would be returning if Georgia was ranked as low as LSU in offense....the answer is NO, at that point the NFL would be a better route.
Barrett? Yes he did. The BCSNCG was like a 3 hr paid advertisement for him.
But again, you are missing the point, kinda. What I'm saying is they had very good reason for staying. Can you say the same today about an LSU offensive player?
And yes, I should have stipulated offensive guys in general although a defensive guy "could" be as turned off by the offense as well knowing it hurts LSU's chances if it doesn't improve.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 1:11 pm to the LSUSaint
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But again, you are missing the point, kinda. What I'm saying is they had very good reason for staying. Can you say the same today about an LSU offensive player?
So why aren't offensive players transferring? If everyone is so unhappy there are other ways to leave the program other than the draft...
Posted on 1/10/13 at 1:25 pm to EarthwormJim
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If everyone is so unhappy there are other ways to leave the program other than the draft...
We are talking about players who have a legit shot in the NFL.
But, I'll play your game...you mean like Chris Davenport?
Posted on 1/10/13 at 1:29 pm to the LSUSaint
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But, I'll play your game...you mean like Chris Davenport?
Who graduated and has never played?
No I mean like someone who plays at LSU who actually feels the offense is hurting them and is unhappy with the coaching.
Why have all these guys that are leaving for the NFL helped host and recruit players if they are unhappy with what's happening at LSU?
Posted on 1/10/13 at 1:38 pm to Ash Williams
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Neither Boyd nor Murray are projected near the top of the draft
Orly? Idk about Murray, but the same guy being touted as an expert by many in this thread, and whom I DO respect (Detillier) told T-Bob the other night on 104.5 that he thought Boyd would be the first QB called if he entered, based on the success Russell Wilson and RGIII had this year, and how tough he showed against LSU, taking all those big hits. So, why would he come back, when this year's QB class is pretty damn weak?
And Kathy (I mean BeeFense), are your kids back in school? It's nice you have all this time to jump in every single thread defending Les.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 1:40 pm to FulshearTexasTiger
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I conclude that the PRIMARY reason for this exodus is due to the current coaching staff (offensive) and putrid offensive scheme that has ranked in the mid 80's for the third year in a row
Simon, Minter, Wing, Mingo, Montgomery, Reid, and Logan arent' leaving because of coaching they never see or hear from. Ware and Ford aren't leaving because we are a predominantly run-based offense. They are leaving because we are 5 deep at their position and they will not be getting enough touches to raise their draft stock next year. Hill and Blue beat them both out as starters this year and both of them come back. Faulk is making a "business decision" as in the article. If he comes out and blows his knee out again he doesnt get an NFL career. If he leaves now he is anywhere from 2-4 round.
Yes we need to fix the offense, but our offensive production and coaching has nothing to do with juniors leaving otherwise you would've seen every junior on the offensive side of the ball bail and several underclassmen transferring out.
Stop with the doom and gloom retardedness, players come to LSU to make it to the NFL. We had a realy good class of sophs last year that translated into a good class of juniors this year. They can make the jump NFL and want to. Wish them luck and then look at the team LSU still has. We will be fine. The talent-level won't drop at all.
This post was edited on 1/10/13 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 1/10/13 at 1:40 pm to aglandry
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In the Ala game when everyone was raving about how Mett finally looked like a QB was the 1st game where LSU utilzed the TE's and RB's in the passing game.LSU was 9 for 9 passing to the TE's and RB's.41% of the passing yardage in the Ala game was to the TE's & RB's.It opened up the WR's to one on one coverage and made the running game more effective.
QFT
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Hopefully,Miles will finally take note from the NFL Draft Experts assessment of the problem with the LSU offense and make the appropriate changes.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 1:50 pm to FulshearTexasTiger
The rumours are a few of the players of grade issues and 2 have substance abuse issues.
The D linemen are high draft picks and have been at LSU 3-4 yrs and it is time.
Faulk does not want to risk another injury and believes his chance at a ring was 9th Jan
The D linemen are high draft picks and have been at LSU 3-4 yrs and it is time.
Faulk does not want to risk another injury and believes his chance at a ring was 9th Jan
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