re: Coaching Issue – It’s Not as Black and White As Some Think (long)

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PS - clear proof is that if he didn't change after 1/9/12 then he NEVER will. This year's Arky game looked exactly like 1/9/12 and we never tried anything different, not personnel or playcalling. We just froze again like a deer in the headlights and were not able/willing to try anything else.

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I know both games were frustrating to fans (trust me I know, I paid good money to travel to New Orleans for the 1/9/12 debacle) and while I too agree that at some point you try some one else, that is just not Miles' philosophy, and here's why - someone else in this tread made reference to it - even with the poor showing by the offense against Arkansas, we were still in the game until late in the game (ditto the Championship game as well, which many seem to forget). In fact, it wasn't until the late INT by Jennings that I felt the game was over. While many here want more passing, that is a very quick way to not only lose ground (see Georgia game in 2008) but get so far behind there's no hope of winning. While we as fans may disagree, Miles is playing to keep us in the game, which is not that bad a move if you know your QBs are just as likely to throw it to the other team. One need look no further than last year, as well as other years where we had a great passing QB, to see that Miles can and will open up the passing game. This staff simply doesn't have the confidence in the current QBs yet.

Think of it this way. Which would you choose if you have the ball at your own 25 yard line:

(a) 3 running plays into a stacked box, sometimes moving the chains, sometimes not, but when you don't, you punt and flip the filed; or

(b) more passing plays but on one of them you throw an INT that could be returned for a TD or, at the very least, sets the other team up in scoring position?

Miles is simply choosing (a) and not taking as many risks with the the passing game.

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Harris better be the real deal and get his shite together by the Spring or this program is in real trouble......

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Yes I agree with this for sure unless their is another JUCO transfer we do not know about

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TigerinSoCal

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It all sounds good on paper but the empirical evidence shows it ain’t getting the job done on Saturdays.

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He believes that a strong running game, great defense, great special teams, & minimal risks on offense are enough to win. Problem is, in the SEC, that's not enough, you have to have a qb who can not only manage the game but change it when he is needed to.

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Ditto! And we haven't had that QB since Flynn. Zack had a "big arm" but was horrible with respect to mobility. I think Harris could be "our guy" but Les refuses to give the kid playing time. Like you said in the SEC CLM's way will not cut it anymore. I'm praying next year will be a much better season, but agree with most of you that some changes have to be made.

Dude we hired Cam one year ago, and the difference between Landry, OBJ, and Wright compared to what we have now is significant. The difference between Mett and AJ/Harris is significant.

These are not NFL free agents though it is not like there won't be improvement year to year.

I think when you look at the results of the play calling you can see that passing the ball didn't work in the beginning (by beginning I mean first 4 drives of the Wisconsin game) and every time we try it, we fail. I think equal parts youth and coaching.

Harris fumbled twice on the same fricking play against one of our cupcakes which is why Jennings had more PT through the important stretch.

That said frick it lets start Harris and air it out against A&M fr two reasons:

1) what we have now ain't workin - 0 points against Arkansas is a milestone
2) need the reps for next season. IDGAF if he has 5 turnovers
3) if we look good you guys will shut the f up
4) if we look terrible half you guys will shut the f up

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It’s Not as Black and White As Some Think

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Disagree - it is black & white. The inference is that it's the responsibility of the fans to figure out why the program is at the current level. It's the responsibility of the coaching staff to deliver the product they're supposed to. Tired of giving the 'Ol Boy a pass. Next excuse, please.

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the difference between Landry, OBJ, and Wright compared to what we have now

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One of these things is not like the other...jesus. The guy has 2 catches and competes on ST for the Bengals and all of a sudden you're grouping him in with Landry and OBJ from last year? lmao Did he catch a pass last year?

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On topic, what makes you so sure we see a significant drop off in recruiting if we moved on from Les? There are plenty of HC out there that put in the effort on the recruiting trail. That and coordinators/assistants that are known for their ability to recruit alone. A HC that could bring a simplified offense that puts points on the board, (e.g. Holgorsen installed his offense in 3 days...yes days) with Frank Wilson leading the recruiting and Chief on defense, would be dominant.

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He came to LSU when there was a lot of momentum and great facilities

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I am totally shocked that someone else acknowledges this. If you think that the accomplishments of the previous coach had zero effect on Miles' career at LSU, then you're beyond help. Do you honestly think Miles could take a 3-8 (Dinardo) team and turn them into National Champions? Honestly?

I think people simply underestimate how difficult it is to take a mediocre program to the Elite level, and all the intangibles that come along with it.

The man was handed the Keys to the Kingdom.