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re: Cause of Coach O's failure at Ole Miss?
Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:20 pm to Keltic Tiger
Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:20 pm to Keltic Tiger
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People knock BDP but he was voted Special Teams Coach of the Year last yr
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Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:29 pm to TigerBR1111
A lot of people say Coach O is stupid, but his comments on why he failed at Ole Miss say otherwise. Stupid people don't learn from their mistakes and tend to place blame on others. He's at least very mature.
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:32 pm to Keltic Tiger
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People knock BDP but he was voted Special Teams Coach of the Year last yr
what the actual frick are you talking about? Were these awards in Leslie's back yard while eating bbq, while it was just the two of them?
Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:32 pm to TigerBR1111
micro-management and not knowing wtf he was doing.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:34 pm to OU812
He got Mike Wallace, Greg Hardy, the Jerrys, McCluster, and Oher on the team for Houston Dale Nutt to benefit from. Cut didn't leave much talent behind, and O was kind of insane at the time.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:41 pm to Duke
Wasn't he the one that brought Brent Schaeffer over from JUCO and tried to build an offense around him?
I assumed that was one of the "mistakes" Oregeron was referencing when he talked about messing with QBs when he had no idea what he was doing.
I assumed that was one of the "mistakes" Oregeron was referencing when he talked about messing with QBs when he had no idea what he was doing.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:49 pm to LSUwag
No idea how he will do here but Nutt went to the cotton bowl with coach O's recruits. Freeze was on Coach O's staff and credited that system with his success. Finally, usc people said he would probably have gotten the head job had they not lost to UCLA in the final game. Time will tell but it's understandable why LSU is comfortable with him taking over right now.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:59 pm to TigerBR1111
Its pretty much all been said. He stated that he didnt delegate responsibility because he wanted to micromanage and one thing no one else has mentioned yet, he led on that he was too hard on the other position groups like hes always been with the D-line and that tough love like that isnt the best recipe for those types of players(read, soft and egotistical).
I really wanted to post so I could say...
The big take away was that he said that he learned from his mistakes and thats why he was successful at USCw. So hes the exact opposite of what we just unloaded(Less Smiles). Hes adaptable and willing to learn and change.
I really wanted to post so I could say...
The big take away was that he said that he learned from his mistakes and thats why he was successful at USCw. So hes the exact opposite of what we just unloaded(Less Smiles). Hes adaptable and willing to learn and change.
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 6:01 pm to TigerBR1111
quote:
Cause of Coach O's failure at Ole Miss?
Because it's
quote:
Ole Miss
Posted on 9/26/16 at 8:29 pm to lsusportsman2
it was a disaster with coach O. He wanted to fight everyone; encouraged players to fight at practice. He cursed at fundraisers. His wife constantly bickered with her neighbors. There was no discipline on the team. Ole Miss definitely not bottom feeders as they had plenty of success in the 50's, 60's, and 70's. Had success in the 90's with Tuberville then the Eli years with Cutcliffe and now wit Freeze. Some of you forget how bad LSU was for a stretch in the 80's and 90's.
IMO, LSU can attract a higher profile coach than coach O. He'll have a chance to prove himself and I do believe he has changed as a coach and as a person than what he displayed in Oxford.
IMO, LSU can attract a higher profile coach than coach O. He'll have a chance to prove himself and I do believe he has changed as a coach and as a person than what he displayed in Oxford.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:42 pm to montjrtiger
Long time ago./ nice insight. I remember the USC situation and he did an outstanding job turning things around. That team would've been 3-9 4-8 if O doesn't take over
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:51 pm to TigerBR1111
Didn't read the whole thread so I apologize if it was said already. I think his lack of success was due to the recruits he inherited. Most notable is he admitted in the Interim HC interview that (paraphrased) he made mistakes as a first time HC in wanting to coach every position instead of delegating it to his position coaches.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:00 pm to TigerBR1111
He was nuts at the time. He had a big ego and had the mentality of a bar room baller. The players were probably scared shitless of him at ole miss.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:04 pm to OU812
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It was ole Miss pre-big money recruits under Freeze.
Coach O has always been known as a very good recruiter. As I recall, he recruited good talent to Ole Miss. Cutcliffe left the cupboard pretty bare for Coach O. Coach Nutt won immediately w/ Coach O's players, but ala his experience at AR, he could not maintain a winning program.
Coach Cutcliffe
2004 4-7, his last season.
Coach O
2005 3-8
2006 4–8
2007 3–9
Coach Nutt
2008 9–4
2009 9–4
2010 4–8
2011 2–10
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:05 pm to jlovel7
He impressed me by saying he was aware of what his mistakes were as a head coach. Simply put he basically recognized he didn't relinquish control to those that were more knowledgeable. A problem that has plagued lsu for quite some time. I think Coach O will give it a solid run.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:08 pm to TigerBR1111
He was super hard on some of the players.
He basically said that today. You can't coach your whole team like your DL.
I remember when LSU played OM when he was coaching there and Ethan Flatt threw a pick and CEO basically shite down his throat. Got in his face, chewed his arse out.
I think Flatt was more rattled with what Orgeron told him than the LSU Defense.
He basically said that today. You can't coach your whole team like your DL.
I remember when LSU played OM when he was coaching there and Ethan Flatt threw a pick and CEO basically shite down his throat. Got in his face, chewed his arse out.
I think Flatt was more rattled with what Orgeron told him than the LSU Defense.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:12 pm to Stud Bud
Belichick / Cleveland
Just sayin.
LSU and Ole Miss are two different animals
Literally lol. Jk
Just sayin.
LSU and Ole Miss are two different animals
Literally lol. Jk
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:15 pm to Keltic Tiger
KT,
Sorry, but you're just flat wrong. At least in the past 8 seasons BDP has not won the national special teams coach of the year award. Maybe you were thinking of 2010 when LSU's Joe Robinson won the award.
2015 Special Teams Coordinator of the Year award-Sean Snyder, Kansas State University.
Previous winners of the Special Teams Coordinator of the Year award are James Shibest (Ole Miss, 2008), Mike Tolleson (Texas, 2009), Joe Robinson (LSU, 2010), John Baxter (USC, 2011), D.J. Durkin (Florida, 2012), Jeff Ulbrich (UCLA, 2013) and Robby Discher (Oklahoma State, 2014).
quote:
People knock BDP but he was voted Special Teams Coach of the Year last yr
Sorry, but you're just flat wrong. At least in the past 8 seasons BDP has not won the national special teams coach of the year award. Maybe you were thinking of 2010 when LSU's Joe Robinson won the award.
2015 Special Teams Coordinator of the Year award-Sean Snyder, Kansas State University.
Previous winners of the Special Teams Coordinator of the Year award are James Shibest (Ole Miss, 2008), Mike Tolleson (Texas, 2009), Joe Robinson (LSU, 2010), John Baxter (USC, 2011), D.J. Durkin (Florida, 2012), Jeff Ulbrich (UCLA, 2013) and Robby Discher (Oklahoma State, 2014).
quote:I hear that all the time. My opinion is that he's such a liability coaching special teams that I'd be willing to take a chance w/ someone else doing his coaching AND recruiting.
& is one of our better recruiters.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:22 pm to TigerBR1111
According to himself, it was that he tried to micromanage instead of letting his coaches coach. A pretty common mistake in football and in the work world period.
I believe it was John Maxwell who said he attributes most of his success to surrounding himself with top shelf talent and then letting them shine.
I believe it was John Maxwell who said he attributes most of his success to surrounding himself with top shelf talent and then letting them shine.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:56 pm to Keltic Tiger
quote:
People knock BDP but he was voted BBQ Sauce Coach of the Year last yr
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