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re: Cam Cameron On The Hot Seat?
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:43 pm to chilge1
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:43 pm to chilge1
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Jimbo ran the traditional pro-style offense
Crowton ran a spread passing offense
Cameron runs the Air Coryell offense.
They are nowhere near the same, but not counting Jimbo, the results were the same. An anemic offense under Crowton, Kraigthorpe, and now Cameron. In all of those offenses Miles was absolutely in control of the play calling and its shown. Yet we, in every case, blame the OC which is ignorant.
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Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:50 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
Kragthorpe was never our Offensive Coordinator
Please show me where it is shown so I can admit defeat.
You're right. It is ignorant.
Jimbo was a terrible OC with Marcus Randall and a genius with Jamarcus Russell
Crowton was terrible with Jefferson and Lee, and a genius with Matt Flynn
Cameron was terrible in Jennng's first year and a genius with Zach Mettenberger
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In all of those offenses Miles was absolutely in control of the play calling and its shown.
Please show me where it is shown so I can admit defeat.
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Yet we, in every case, blame the OC which is ignorant.
You're right. It is ignorant.
Jimbo was a terrible OC with Marcus Randall and a genius with Jamarcus Russell
Crowton was terrible with Jefferson and Lee, and a genius with Matt Flynn
Cameron was terrible in Jennng's first year and a genius with Zach Mettenberger
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:58 pm to chilge1
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Cameron was terrible in Jennng's first year and a genius with Zach Mettenberger
I agree with the first part of that statement but fail to see the "genius" with Mett. He did OK with him but nothing more than any OC could have done considering who he had to work with. A lot of OC's could have got more out of an offense that had that level of experienced NFL talent all over it. But I haven't given up on Cam at all. He is a talented experienced OC himself and he was just taking a little longer than expected to adjust to the modern college game.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:06 pm to boxcar willie
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He did OK with him but nothing more than any OC could have done considering who he had to work with
Compare Mett's yards per attempt alone between 2012-13. The growth he showed as a passer between those two years was simply astounding.
And I think that was the root of Cam's problem last year... the transition from professional athletes to high school kids was probably as rough on him as Jennings, Dupre, Quinn, etc.
And I'd just like to add that if everyone does their jobs appropriately, we'll never have to wonder what Cam's offense looks like without experienced NFL talent, because we'll always have it on hand.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:27 pm to Mulat
quote:Are you saying Mett was plug-n-play and didn't improve while at LSU?
No I think he is good. I am just saying he was last on the line for Mett. Sure he helped, no doubt, but he had nothing to do with selecting him from HS, nor anything to do with his training a UGA nor anything to do with his winning the Natty in Junior College, in other words, he had a product already functioning.
Don't you find it odd Mett couldn't even take the #2 spot in 2011, or kill it as the #1 in 2012 with all that previous "superior" training?
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:57 pm to DeltaDoc
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Is Cam on the hot seat after this season if the offensive output and QB play does not improve drastically?
You better believe he is. At 1.3M and 5 stars across the board, they better be explosive or he needs to hit the bricks.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 8:13 pm to thunderbird1100
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There's no reason for him to stick around if he puts an offense on the field if it's worse or the same as this past season. This should never happen at LSU, much less twice in a row.
If it is improved only by a "little", it would be time for him to go. I expect vast improvement of else
Posted on 1/22/15 at 8:19 pm to OPOSPRPLGLD
Y'all can't possibly be this stupid
Posted on 1/22/15 at 8:22 pm to LSUPRS
Go read the Crowton interview when he went to Maryland. Miles controls the play calling.
Why stay? $1,300,000/year to do a half a-- job with no accountability are reasons enough to stay
Why stay? $1,300,000/year to do a half a-- job with no accountability are reasons enough to stay
Posted on 1/22/15 at 8:36 pm to DeltaDoc
Lets see... Cam had to replace four phenomenal NCAA play makers who are currently...
2 current NFL star WRs as rookies
A Starting NFL RB as a rookie
A starting NFL QB as a rookie
And even with all of the youth on offense most of the losses were very close with the defense breaking down at the end. I still think that 3 or 4 of our losses would have gone our way if those two DTs wouldn't have prematurely bolted for the NFL early with crappy draft grades.
I admit to getting frustrated with the same old mundane offensive play calls but nobody expected a team with more teenage starters than not to handle LSUs schedule much better than they did.
2 current NFL star WRs as rookies
A Starting NFL RB as a rookie
A starting NFL QB as a rookie
And even with all of the youth on offense most of the losses were very close with the defense breaking down at the end. I still think that 3 or 4 of our losses would have gone our way if those two DTs wouldn't have prematurely bolted for the NFL early with crappy draft grades.
I admit to getting frustrated with the same old mundane offensive play calls but nobody expected a team with more teenage starters than not to handle LSUs schedule much better than they did.
This post was edited on 1/22/15 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 1/22/15 at 8:41 pm to Mayhawman
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Are you saying Mett was plug-n-play and didn't improve while at LSU?
OH PLEASE, I am not saying that, give it a rest. The obvious problems with LSU's QB program for 10 years is the inability to select and develop a consistent chain of QB's ready to step in.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 8:45 pm to Dick Macho
Cam won't be on the hot seat if Miles stay's home on GAME DAY QUIT BLAMING THE DEFENSE FOR LOSING AT THE END WHEN THEY STAY ON THE FIELD CAUSE OF A HORRIBLE OFFENSE THAT MILES USUALLY PUTS ON THE FIELD. (Talented players on the offense with a stone age head coach ruining the greatest wealth of talent in this schools history)
Posted on 1/22/15 at 8:50 pm to PG
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Go read the Crowton interview when he went to Maryland.
Crowton wishes Les would have kept "controlling his playcalling" after he left LSU and maybe he wouldn't have ended up the OC at Southern Utah after his brief stint as OC of the Winnipeg Blue Bombers. LULZ
Posted on 1/22/15 at 9:28 pm to DeltaDoc
At this point everyone should realize it is not the OC who is keeping the offense in the dark ages....
Never forget 1/9
Never forget 1/9
Posted on 1/22/15 at 9:42 pm to DthVllyDud
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Never forget 1/9
by the same token, always remember 11/5, the game they called the "game of the century", the 9-6 win in Tuscaloosa, against all odds.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 9:47 pm to DeltaDoc
If that is the case then Miles should be on the hot seat. He is the head man, and if the offensive situation does not change he should go. He has had ample time to correct via coaching changes, talent evaluation, etc.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 9:50 pm to bearhc
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Miles should be on the hot seat.
give it up man, Miles isn't going anywhere for a very long time. We are lucky to have a coach of his quality. While at times Miles seems stuck in the stone ages and is often slow to make changes, he has shown that he will make changes when needed. After the downward trend of the program and bad showing by the team the last few years, change is happening. Recruiting classes are starting to gain strength, much needed coaching changes took place (perhaps by accident), and the offense is being somewhat modernized this off season. We have made a U turn back in the right direction.
This post was edited on 1/22/15 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 1/22/15 at 9:51 pm to bearhc
Stupid thread....so stupid. He just became a bad coach....
Posted on 1/22/15 at 10:01 pm to 949SoCalTiger
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Stupid thread....so stupid. He just became a bad coach....
He's had his ups and downs in his career. While he may not be the greatest OC around, he does bring a lot of experience and knowledge to the table. We could do worse, a lot worse. Plus he does seem open to new ideas.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 10:07 pm to vjm41
Touchy?
Again, before blaming the OC, I would blame the two DTs who couldn't wait to leave LSU even though neither of them was ready and the team needed them very badly. FYI, the defense would have had much better 4th stamina with their two senior DT starters in the rotation than they would without them. Also, our MLBs don't have to deal with 20 untouched RBs per game at full speed up the middle when our two best DT are on the field.
Thats just how I see it. Players leaving early has never bothered me until this year. The team felt the losses of OBjr, Landry and Hill very much but it was their times to go and I will always be fans of theirs. Those two DTs are a different story though. I also feel the same way about Hunter and could care less if he ever plays a snap on Sundays.
I definitely mentioned that the play calling pissed me off as well.
Again, before blaming the OC, I would blame the two DTs who couldn't wait to leave LSU even though neither of them was ready and the team needed them very badly. FYI, the defense would have had much better 4th stamina with their two senior DT starters in the rotation than they would without them. Also, our MLBs don't have to deal with 20 untouched RBs per game at full speed up the middle when our two best DT are on the field.
Thats just how I see it. Players leaving early has never bothered me until this year. The team felt the losses of OBjr, Landry and Hill very much but it was their times to go and I will always be fans of theirs. Those two DTs are a different story though. I also feel the same way about Hunter and could care less if he ever plays a snap on Sundays.
I definitely mentioned that the play calling pissed me off as well.
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