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re: Cam Cameron On The Hot Seat?

Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:19 pm to
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:19 pm to
Replace the guy with an extra year in the system and all significant game experience with the guy that has the greatest potential but has not harnessed it.

What do you people think hot seat means?
Posted by sabanisarustedspoke
Member since Jan 2007
4947 posts
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:32 pm to
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Replace the guy with an extra year in the system and all significant game experience with the guy that has the greatest potential but has not harnessed it.

What do you people think hot seat means?



Having the worst quarterback play in the history of your school and not making a change either because you won't or because you haven't a better alternative is the definition of hot seat.
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:38 pm to
Cameron has been LSU OC for exactly one recruiting cycle. What better alternative was he supposed to invent?

Jamarcus Russell was not the QB in 2004 that he was in 2006.
Matt Flynn was not the QB in 2005 that he was in 2007.
Zach Mettenberger was not the QB in 2011 that he was in 2013.

Proper QB development takes years. I would love to know the alternative that you'd like to bring in who would be better prepared to develop ours than the guy who mentored George freakin' Whitfield.
Posted by Earn Your Keep
Member since Nov 2013
1417 posts
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:39 pm to
Experience means the length of time spent doing something.

It DOES NOT MEAN you were good at it or are getting better at it. Jennings made ZERO progress and that's why CC is being questioned. You can excuse youth, injuries, coaching changes...but there is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for Jennings other than the fact he's just not very good.

He has had enough time and more than enough opportunity to prove his worth. He failed to do so. It's time for a change. < PERIOD
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:48 pm to
Experience is a cumulation and not stagnant. Despite your beliefs, the pure definition of experience is "getting better at it".

You believe that youth is excusable, but fail to properly apply it to the LSU passing game.

QB - True Sophomore
RB - True Freshman
WR - Redshirt Sophomore
WR - True Freshman
WR - True Freshman

I would love to see you apply your One-And-Done argument to the careers of Russell, Flynn, Davey, and Mettenberger. It takes time to develop a QB. The only people questioning Cameron are the ones who don't understand proper development of personnel.
Posted by sabanisarustedspoke
Member since Jan 2007
4947 posts
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:50 pm to
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Cameron has been LSU OC for exactly one recruiting cycle. What better alternative was he supposed to invent?

Jamarcus Russell was not the QB in 2004 that he was in 2006.
Matt Flynn was not the QB in 2005 that he was in 2007.
Zach Mettenberger was not the QB in 2011 that he was in 2013.

Proper QB development takes years. I would love to know the alternative that you'd like to bring in who would be better prepared to develop ours than the guy who mentored George freakin' Whitfield.



I don't think i've been clear enough in this thread. In no way do I think CC should be on any hotseat at all. All of our offensive problems squarely rest on the shoulders of Les Miles and the laughable excuses we've had to hear about why we don't have a qb from "Ryan Perriloux set us back 4 yrs, to Zach Lee screwed us, to Gunner Kiel not having a chest" are completely a joke. To think that our offensive trouble this year had anything to do with CC if funny.
Posted by timm6971463
oakdale la
Member since Mar 2008
4361 posts
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:53 pm to
tiger fan you are not,no fan would bring this up at recruiting time !
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:58 pm to
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Ryan Perriloux set us back 4 yrs, to Zach Lee screwed us, to Gunner Kiel not having a chest" are completely a joke.


I don't see the joke, maybe you can help with that.

Do you think the coaching staff would rather have started Perrilloux, Lee, and Kiel from 2008-14 or Jefferson, Lee, Mettenberger, and Jennings?
Posted by timm6971463
oakdale la
Member since Mar 2008
4361 posts
Posted on 1/23/15 at 1:01 pm to
I wish negatigers would just move on to their hero sabins rant room !
Posted by sabanisarustedspoke
Member since Jan 2007
4947 posts
Posted on 1/23/15 at 1:05 pm to
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I don't see the joke, maybe you can help with that.

Do you think the coaching staff would rather have started Perrilloux, Lee, and Kiel from 2008-14 or Jefferson, Lee, Mettenberger, and Jennings?



I don't see one either. To not have any viable alternative to 1.Your starting qb who has had character issues in the past 2. A guy who is expected to recieve a +$1,000,000 offer from MLB or 3. an 18yr old kid who was committed to us for under a month (and we were the second or third school he committed to) is not a joke and a serious problem.
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 1/23/15 at 1:16 pm to
To be fair, what QB is going to commit to a school that already has Jamarcus Russell, Matt Flynn, and Ryan Perrilloux on the depth chart?

And nobody expected the Dodgers to throw that kind of money at Zach Lee.

quote:

In a development that had to have been as shocking to the Louisiana State University football program and its fans as it was to a legion of Los Angeles Dodgers cynics who were sure the club had deliberately thrown away its first-round draft pick on an unsignable player in an effort to save money, the Dodgers reached agreement with that first-round pick, right-hander Zach Lee from McKinney (Texas) High School, just before Monday night's deadline for signing 2010 draft choices.

The deal, which is pending a physical examination that is expected to take place Wednesday in Los Angeles, carries a $5.25 million signing bonus that will be paid out during the next five years.

It is the biggest signing bonus awarded to a draft pick in Dodgers history, shattering the mark of $2.3 million given to first-rounder Clayton Kershaw in 2006.

Lee, one of the top high school pitchers in this year's draft, fell to the 28th overall pick because he let it be known before the draft it would take at least a $5 million bonus to get him to give up his football scholarship to LSU, where he would play quarterback in the fall and baseball in the spring.


LINK

Finally, it wasn't just the fact that Gunner Kiel decommited. When you recruit the #1 QB in the nation, you make certain promises to him. While I can't verify that the coaching staff ever told him this, I feel confident that he was assured he was going to be THE guy and we wouldn't go after anyone else if he signed with us.

Then January 17th happened.

quote:

Gunner Kiel, the No. 1 ranked high school quarterback in the nation, did not show up at LSU Monday for a meeting of early football enrollees and is not expected to begin classes with the rest of the LSU student body Tuesday.

"From what I have been told, he is no longer coming to LSU," recruiting expert Michael Scarborough of Rivals.com/TigerBait.com said Monday night. "He wants to come to LSU, but his mother (Aleta Kiel) got very emotional Monday and did not want her son to leave. He plans to enroll in classes at Notre Dame on Tuesday."


So he not only backed out of his commitment with us at literally the 11th hour as an early enrollee, he prevented us from attempting to recruit any other QB in the 2012 class. Hell, we could have gone after Jameis Winston if we had known we didn't already have OUR GUY.
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9591 posts
Posted on 1/23/15 at 1:29 pm to
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Having the worst quarterback play in the history of your school and not making a change either because you won't or because you haven't a better alternative is the definition of hot seat.


Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43871 posts
Posted on 1/23/15 at 1:33 pm to
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chilge1


How dare you bring facts into this thread and shatter the entire foundation of that guy's extreme hatred of Les.

Shame on you.
Posted by LSUintheNW
At your mom’s house
Member since Aug 2009
35752 posts
Posted on 1/23/15 at 1:36 pm to
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I think you will be surprised at how much better the offense will be this year.




quote:

PurpleandGeauld


You don't pay much attention, do you?

We will see more of the same. FACT!
Posted by RATeamWannabe
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
25948 posts
Posted on 1/23/15 at 1:38 pm to
I wish he would be, but sadly no
Posted by LSUintheNW
At your mom’s house
Member since Aug 2009
35752 posts
Posted on 1/23/15 at 1:40 pm to
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He's been here for 2 years and one of those years produced a 3,000 yd passer, 1000 yd rusher and 2 1,000 yard receivers


I could've been the OC and gotten those results with those players.



Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 1/23/15 at 1:43 pm to
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I could've been the OC and gotten those results with those players.


Those players disagree.
Posted by Earn Your Keep
Member since Nov 2013
1417 posts
Posted on 1/23/15 at 1:53 pm to
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Despite your beliefs, the pure definition of experience is "getting better at it".


What? Please research Merriam-Webster, Wikipedia, Dictionary.com, The Free Dictionary or any other source and show me where anyone has a pure definition for the word experience.

Just because you continue to do something...does NOT mean you're getting better at it. It surely doesn't mean you'll ever succeed or get good at anything. The youth at the receiver position was NOT the problem. The youth at RB was NOT the problem. The experienced OL was NOT the problem.

The QB's skill set (or lack thereof) was the problem. Giving him additional starts will not correct the problem.
Posted by Earn Your Keep
Member since Nov 2013
1417 posts
Posted on 1/23/15 at 1:54 pm to
chilge1,

Are you related to or a friend of Jennings? If so, I understand your view/comments.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18147 posts
Posted on 1/23/15 at 1:55 pm to
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His awesome season just happened to coincide with having a Top 5 WR and RB in the NFL (as rookies) on the roster as well as a QB that started multiple games in the NFL and another receiver that will likely be a Top 20 guy next year. Not to completely dismiss the season, but come on...even an average SEC OC would have had a field day with that talent.


This is absolutely correct. Incredible talent, but I do give Cam credit for working with Mett. But please, any decent OC could've done very well with NFL QB, RB, WRs, and OL on the roster in 2013.

But the true test of a great coach is what they do with lesser talent. That's where great coaches work their magic.
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