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re: Alleva the fall guy
Posted on 11/30/15 at 7:54 pm to mojoey
Posted on 11/30/15 at 7:54 pm to mojoey
I find it hard to believe that Alleva and Alexander didn't understand the cost associated with firing Miles and bringing in Jimbo before beginning the whole process weeks ago - especially since private donors were willing to pay for the buyout.
To kill the deal simply for appearances is retarded. It wouldn't have cost LSU a dime.
If Alexander is indeed the one who killed the deal for appearances then he should be fired immediately for incompetence. LSU has routinely been threatened with budget cuts during my adult life (since the 1980's) and funding has always been restored. One would think Alexander would have educated himself on the history of LSU funding and LA politics.
One would assume that Alexander would be aware of the importance of LSU football to people in this state, the fact that LSU Athletics is self-supporting (thanks to LSU football), and the millions of dollars LSU Athletics gives the University to supplement state funding. How stupid are these people?
And, Jindal and John bel Edwards should have kept their mouths shut instead of contributing to the undermining of another state employee - Alleva.
Our state government is only good for getting in the way of everybody - and even themselves. I wouldn't lose any sleep if the State Capitol buildings and Governors Mansion slid off into the Mississippi River.
To kill the deal simply for appearances is retarded. It wouldn't have cost LSU a dime.
If Alexander is indeed the one who killed the deal for appearances then he should be fired immediately for incompetence. LSU has routinely been threatened with budget cuts during my adult life (since the 1980's) and funding has always been restored. One would think Alexander would have educated himself on the history of LSU funding and LA politics.
One would assume that Alexander would be aware of the importance of LSU football to people in this state, the fact that LSU Athletics is self-supporting (thanks to LSU football), and the millions of dollars LSU Athletics gives the University to supplement state funding. How stupid are these people?
And, Jindal and John bel Edwards should have kept their mouths shut instead of contributing to the undermining of another state employee - Alleva.
Our state government is only good for getting in the way of everybody - and even themselves. I wouldn't lose any sleep if the State Capitol buildings and Governors Mansion slid off into the Mississippi River.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 7:56 pm to vl100butch
Why would elected officials feel the heat of a deal gone bad?
I guess we'll find out since they caused it.
I guess we'll find out since they caused it.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 7:57 pm to Lakeboy7
He's the one that agreed to Miles extension that has us in this hole. Idiot !!
Posted on 11/30/15 at 7:59 pm to mojoey
Alleva was always the problem. The leaks had to come from somewhere, and it starts at the AD office...the only place it could.
Alleva could have stopped it all by saying "The rumors are untrue. We will evaluate our program and coaches at the end of our season, just as we do every year, with all of our coaches and programs."
Instead, he kept to "no cooment." That fueled the rumors and caused the swell of support that Miles was being unfairly, to the point the governor stepped in. At that point, Alexander realized future funding was at stake and shut down the deal.
Alleva played his cards too soon and never mitigated the damages when he had the chance. It's all on him.
Alleva could have stopped it all by saying "The rumors are untrue. We will evaluate our program and coaches at the end of our season, just as we do every year, with all of our coaches and programs."
Instead, he kept to "no cooment." That fueled the rumors and caused the swell of support that Miles was being unfairly, to the point the governor stepped in. At that point, Alexander realized future funding was at stake and shut down the deal.
Alleva played his cards too soon and never mitigated the damages when he had the chance. It's all on him.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 8:02 pm to BillF
The whole "Alexander did it to protect funding" is ridiculous since LSU wouldn't have paid for it and state government isn't going to bankrupt LSU. They are elected officials after all.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 8:04 pm to Mr.Perfect
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You must be kidding
I wish I was
Posted on 11/30/15 at 8:06 pm to BillF
Does anyone know for a fact that Alleva leaked the info? What if it was a gossip happy secretary at the Athletic Dept or a moron on the Board of Supervisors or one of their gossiping secretaries?
An investigation is warranted and the public has a right to know.
An investigation is warranted and the public has a right to know.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 8:06 pm to mojoey
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Jimbo gives them the finger at the last minute and Alleva is told you need to fix this. Time for damage control. Alleva takes the fall. Alexander tries to cover himself by aligning himself with Miles.
I think its worse than you stated. They knew the total bill going in and they were ok with it. Jimbo was onboard. Massive strategic frick up with the leak. Some pol or group of pols told LSU to cease and desist and the subsequent chain of chaotic events happened.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 8:07 pm to mojoey
What has taken place now is a war between Alleva and Alexander. Miles won't trust either of these guys. Alleva and Alexander were in this together and then Alexander stabbed Alleva in the back with his decision. So right now we have a Chancellor, AD, and Head Football Coach who all hate each other.
The bigger story though that the press hasn't keyed in on yet is the total level of distrust the other LSU coaches now harbor towards both Alleva and Alexander.
In the end both Alleva and Alexander will be leaving before Les.
The bigger story though that the press hasn't keyed in on yet is the total level of distrust the other LSU coaches now harbor towards both Alleva and Alexander.
In the end both Alleva and Alexander will be leaving before Les.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 8:08 pm to EST
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Alleva could have stopped it all by saying "The rumors are untrue. We will evaluate our program and coaches at the end of our season, just as we do every year, with all of our coaches and programs."
Let me get this straight, Alleva was told he better go out after the game and say "blah blah blah". But he couldn't be instructed to do the same the two weeks prior.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 8:11 pm to EST
Perception is sometimes greater than reality. When the man responsible for your funding says the funds could be better spent questions your decisions, you listen...private funds or not.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 8:13 pm to BillF
The perception was known before Saturday.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 8:15 pm to mojoey
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Alleva could have stopped it all by saying "The rumors are untrue. We will evaluate our program and coaches at the end of our season, just as we do every year, with all of our coaches and programs."
I thought he did say that early on before last week when things got to a head. I remember reading the quote in an article. He just never came out and said it again.
I saw an article somewhere today in which one of the BOS, Stanley Jacobs, was quoted on Saturday morning that in order to fire Les, a recommendation had to be presented to the BOS and it never was. Jacobs also said he was glad Les was still the coach, so he apparently would not have supported firing him. Don't know about the rest of them or how many votes it takes from them to fire the coach. A majority or more?
Posted on 11/30/15 at 8:16 pm to BillF
Well it's retarded. And which politician in Louisiana would ever stop LSU from taking a private donation for any reason? Politicians never say no to money.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 8:18 pm to Gris Gris
lets see.. hires bama softball coach who then says no, hires jones, extedns miles contract to 7 years, orchestrates the latest fiasco.....so what has aleva done that's good?
Posted on 11/30/15 at 8:22 pm to mojoey
I think they thought Alleva had the commen sense to alleviate the damages. He clearly didn't. The president was also a buffoon in this.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 8:25 pm to icoczar
The simplest explanation is the Jimbo deal fell through and Alexander said Miles is better than plan B and killed the deal.
The hayride article made a lot of political assumptions for the motivation of what happened.
The hayride article made a lot of political assumptions for the motivation of what happened.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 8:31 pm to mojoey
There are two things here that are truly unbelievable. One, is that our AD started this process of ousting Les and securing only one target WITHOUT having EVERYONE on board with the costs, both financially and public perception. Second, is that some of you are actually painting Alleva as some sort of scapegoat.
How do you start this process without all the T's crossed and I's dotted? This whole public funding for the school angle is a joke. As if these were not facts of the matter from the beginning. How do you let this situation linger and fester, which was leading to all the talk about athletic vs academic money?
There is no way to paint this that makes Joe Alleva look like anything but an incompetent fool, and there is no way to look at this from any angle and not see how he is not capable of doing this job. Not smart enough, not enough vision, not thorough enough, and not enough PR smarts to handle this job.
He clinched up at Duke in these situations and he just shite the bed again in the same regards.
frick him
How do you start this process without all the T's crossed and I's dotted? This whole public funding for the school angle is a joke. As if these were not facts of the matter from the beginning. How do you let this situation linger and fester, which was leading to all the talk about athletic vs academic money?
There is no way to paint this that makes Joe Alleva look like anything but an incompetent fool, and there is no way to look at this from any angle and not see how he is not capable of doing this job. Not smart enough, not enough vision, not thorough enough, and not enough PR smarts to handle this job.
He clinched up at Duke in these situations and he just shite the bed again in the same regards.
frick him
Posted on 11/30/15 at 8:31 pm to mojoey
Yes. But when the governor chimed in, it all came to a halt. Never would have happened without a 2-week groundswell of suppor for Miles, which never would have happened without Alleva's ambiguous "No comment."
Posted on 11/30/15 at 8:32 pm to mojoey
If Aleeva was set on firing Les, he has nobody to blame but himself. Firing somebody is done by calling that person into your office, look them in the eye and tell them before anybody else that they are being fired.
Unfortunately, Alleva wanted to make sure he had his guy before he fired Les. It is at this time that he made his biggest crucial mistake. He went to buy his supposed BMW from A car salesman named Sexton, and let him know that was the one and only car that he wanted. As the price kept going up, Aleevas daddy had to eventually step in and say we just can't pay that much money for that car. With no other makes or models being looked at, Aleeva was left to drive home in his reliable but not flashy sedan with many Miles on it.
As an AD, your job is to be able to negotiate these deals and get it done. Joe swung for the fences at the fastball, and Sexton threw the curve
Unfortunately, Alleva wanted to make sure he had his guy before he fired Les. It is at this time that he made his biggest crucial mistake. He went to buy his supposed BMW from A car salesman named Sexton, and let him know that was the one and only car that he wanted. As the price kept going up, Aleevas daddy had to eventually step in and say we just can't pay that much money for that car. With no other makes or models being looked at, Aleeva was left to drive home in his reliable but not flashy sedan with many Miles on it.
As an AD, your job is to be able to negotiate these deals and get it done. Joe swung for the fences at the fastball, and Sexton threw the curve
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