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re: Whatever........this is a "sicboy crapping on the Switch" thread, cuz reasons

Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:07 am to
Posted by Mystery
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:07 am to
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How did they let you down? By simply not making Generic Console #3?



No by making the shite console that was the Wii U. Which I bought.
Posted by BaddestAndvari
That Overweight Racist State
Member since Mar 2011
18295 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:09 am to
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-Placement of the USB charge port.


This was the case on the VITA and I hated it... but it is an industry norm.

What I don't understand, is I'm currently playing my 3DS, while plugged in... it's on the top, WHY NINTENDO?!?!

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-The almost impossible task of removing the grips from the joycons.


Children are going to be using the switch, and yes, hopefully they fix this - but everything I've seen on this, is it's only hard to take off if you put it on wrong. the Plus marks on the wrong side, put it on backwards, put the left on the right, etc.

You shouldn't even be able to lock it in place if you are trying to put it on wrong though
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
53390 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:17 am to
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Whatever........this is a "sicboy crapping on the Switch" thread, cuz reasons

Can't fight fanboys.
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37282 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:20 am to
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I wholeheartedly disagree here.


Why? There's no big game yet. No reason to be moving things around. Again, if in 3 months when there's multiple big games and more digital content and they still haven't fixed, ok. Until then, meh, there's literally not enough to fill the hard drive at this moment.

With a 500gb X1, I filled that thing up week one and have been struggling ever since. Constantly deleting and rotating files. I need cloud save. Does anyone really need it yet for the Switch?


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-Dock design (hopefully that's getting fixed since it got pulled form the store)


The design is fine, it just seems like flaws in manufacturing somewhere. But yes, let's hope they fix it.

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-Smart phone app for any kind of messaging (as brought up in the friends list link)


We still don't know the full scope of this, nor do we know if it is even completed. I think the approach is unique (do I use my console or my phone for all messaging and notificaitions?) I mean if you think about it, it makes sense. If they release it and I literally have to do everything through the app, yeah, that's a problem, until then...meh?

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-Placement of the USB charge port.


Problem, not a big one, minor inconvenience and a requirement of the design. Nintendo, doing Nintendo things, really thinks people love portable gaming (and they do in Japan), and that playing it that way while charging is fine.

I mean, does anyone see a marathon gaming session in tabletop mode? I think they meant this more for 1-2 Switch type stuff, not for propping up Zelda for 5 hours and playing.

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-The almost impossible task of removing the grips from the joycons.


Fair. Mine were tough.

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-The kickstand, which has been proven over and over to be unreliable if you're not in a NASA controlled environment. This isn't anything, but I did see a funny article of someone complaining about the horrible sound the kickstand makes when you retract/detract. Sounds like plastic breaking every time. Sort of a satirical complaint.



It literally does. And yes, while not the level of the CNET expose, the kickstand really should be thicker, more centered and more robust. That is bad design.

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-The system underperforming while being docked. Again, points to them really pushing for this to be a portable device, and I get that's a big draw for a lot of gamers, but I have never been big on portable gaming, and if I'm going to be short changed by playing my preferred way, I'll just eventually play zelda on the Wii U, because it will be the same thing.



At the same time, it takes a lot of time for developers to get the most out of a console, or figure out how to use it best. Even comparing Ryze to Rise of the Tomb Raider is like Night and Day. This is a fair complaint though, but again, you just might not like Nintendo? I mean, I know you say you do, but they've done this since the Gamecube failed. And yes, the Gamecube basically failed as well, and is precisely why Nintendo is here, today. Gamers who like Sony and Microsoft business operations made their choice then with a similarly powered console. If the Gamecube sells 100 million, we never see the Wii or Wii U.

I'm not big on portable gaming either, only owned a DS for less than a year, and never had a 3DS. I do know that the mobile division spits out a ton of great products though, so I hope that carries over here.

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-And for a portable device, it just doesn't seem that durable (scratched screens and joycon wiggles as evidence, the latter showing in that video oauron posted).


Agree on this one. I'm super worried about traveling with it. Getting screen protector, armor guards, etc. I mean, my tablet is more expensive and I bring that everywhere, but it's far less complex.

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-The one joycon with the analog in the middle........i just can't see that being fun, especially with the controller being as small as it is, but I haven't personally played with it. My friend bought one so maybe I can go play around with his this weekend.


It's not something to play hours on, but it works fine for Snipperclips.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
53390 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:20 am to
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The system underperforming while being docked. Again, points to them really pushing for this to be a portable device, and I get that's a big draw for a lot of gamers, but I have never been big on portable gaming, and if I'm going to be short changed by playing my preferred way 

Yeah Zelda looks and performs like shtt on the big screen.
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I'll just eventually play zelda on the Wii U, because it will be the same thing.

Well frame rate drops won't be present but it will look even worse.
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The one joycon with the analog in the middle........i just can't see that being fun, especially with the controller being as small as it is,

For Snipper lips it hasn't been terrible.
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 10:21 am
Posted by paladine36
Member since Feb 2013
1478 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:22 am to
Actually love the tablet.
Cant wait til octopath traveler comes out or when they start rolling out some great rpgs in general. Especially the Shin megami tensei remasters
Havent had any Issues like these other people have had yet.
Dock is a tad bit loose. But not like in that video.
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37282 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:30 am to
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This is just not true. I love how you guys continue to say this. How in the heck does making a top game of all time relate to all the other dumb decisions they make?


It's not that one causes the other exactly, or is directly related to that. It's that Nintendo's approach. It's that BotW is the culmination of all this other stuff.

It exists, therefore, it is the result of Nintendo being Nintendo. Think about it like this:

We know, with 100% certainty that Nintendo acting like this that they created BotW. BotW exists. Right? If Nintendo acts the way you want, which is a fantasy because it doesn't exist, is the result still BotW? Can you say that with 100% certainty?

I mean, you can assume, but you can't say, hence a response like that.

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Fact: Zelda could have been made on any current console and it would still be great.



No one is arguing that it CAN be done, the problem is arguing that it would be, with 100% certainty if Nintendo were to not be Nintendo.

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Nothing about all the problems we have pointed out has to do with why the game is great.





Some don't for sure, but some are just the result of Nintendo's personality. Hence comments like that.
Posted by Mystery
Member since Jan 2009
9003 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:38 am to
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We know, with 100% certainty that Nintendo acting like this that they created BotW. BotW exists. Right? If Nintendo acts the way you want, which is a fantasy because it doesn't exist, is the result still BotW? Can you say that with 100% certainty?

I mean, you can assume, but you can't say, hence a response like that.



I can with 100% certainty say that Hidemaro Fujibayashi and his teams creativity and execution had nothing to do with whoever planned and put together the switch. Or the Wii U for that matter.

The idea that because one side of the same company is great at what they do because of the strange decisions of the other side is just silly.
Posted by sicboy
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Member since Nov 2010
77614 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:45 am to
The idea that these zelda games wouldn't be the same on another console blows me away.

"Without these bad decisions over here, we wouldn't have this great game. You want that?"


Posted by Mystery
Member since Jan 2009
9003 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:46 am to
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"Without these bad decisions over here, we wouldn't have this great game. You want that?"


Exactly. I mean fanboy speak could not get any worse.
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 10:46 am
Posted by sicboy
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Member since Nov 2010
77614 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:49 am to
I would love to have a Zelda or Metroid that didn't have to be boxed in by the limitations of a niche console.


"For the Wii U version, when they come across the shrines, if they are using a gamepad, force them to switch to the tablet. This is important."





"......................fine."
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37282 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:53 am to
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I can with 100% certainty say that Hidemaro Fujibayashi and his teams creativity and execution had nothing to do with whoever planned and put together the switch.


The only thing I disagree with is the 100%. I think it's likely, I'm just wouldn't take the risk.

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Or the Wii U for that matter.


That's the second WiiU mention. The Wii U had brilliant first party titles, almost across the board, I still wonder why you hate the Wii U so much?

It wasn't even a bad system design (the gamepad was odd, not bad).

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The idea that because one side of the same company is great at what they do because of the strange decisions of the other side is just silly.


Again, one doesn't necessarily cause the other, but they are all related in the company. It's how they hire, how they think through things, etc. And you do know that Nintendo often relies on both sets, hardware and software, to create and to push forward? With the Wii, they let hardware drive that design that process, so yes, the software depended on what the hardware division was doing. The company itself was trying to be different after the GC market failure; hardware lead software. With SM64 and the 64 controller they were trying to drive the 3D world experience through the controller, so they designed a controller that was almost specifically made for SM64 and OoT. Software lead design for the origin of the 64.

It's THAT kind of experimentation, for good and bad, that pushes Nintendo to create unique things.

Being like everyone else means they make the same controller for 3 straight generations, ie, Microsoft and Sony. If Nintendo didn't ask themselves "How do we translate 3D world capabilities into a controller," do they make SM64 the way it was?

If, like you want, they said "Naaa, let's just make the SNES gamepad again, but a different color." Can you, with 100% certainty say they create those games exactly like they were? Because that's kind of what you're asking.

Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:53 am to
it sounds like the dock being too tight is causing scratching so loose is good, but I wish it were more snug so I could dock it and while docked release the joycons without it coming undocked or moving.

i'm thinking furniture padding will allow me to protect from scratches and get a snug fit.
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37282 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:55 am to
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The idea that these zelda games wouldn't be the same on another console blows me away.

"Without these bad decisions over here, we wouldn't have this great game. You want that?"



Did I say either of those statements?

I never said "Zelda couldn't exist on another console"

Nor did I say, "with these bad decisions over here we wouldn't have this great game."

Have a conversation, don't twist words.
Posted by sicboy
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Member since Nov 2010
77614 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:58 am to
The quirkiness of Nintendo being the genesis of how good their games are has been the running theme here for a while.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:58 am to
it boils down to they hated the wii u. but if you didn't like the wii u that should have been apparent from looking at it. I also wish they wouldn't have had a dual screen experiment, but the switch is not the wii u

the motion control capabilities of the joy con aren't a design barrier for developers, and the wii u gamepad and the switch tablet are completely different in function as well as quality

I think that's the driving force behind people's concerns, and those are valid concerns btw, but I think people are so scarred by that every little thing is blown out of proportion.

don't really care either. I freaking love it, that's all that matters
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37282 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:02 am to
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The quirkiness of Nintendo being the genesis of how good their games are has been the running theme here for a while.




Reason being, there is no evidence that a mainstream, straight laced, Sony/Microsoft clone Nintendo would 1) Be Successful 2) Still Keep Nintendo Charm and Quality

Can it happen? Sure. Would it happen? I don't know.
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 11:04 am
Posted by oauron
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2011
14512 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:36 am to
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We know, with 100% certainty that Nintendo acting like this that they created BotW. BotW exists. Right? If Nintendo acts the way you want, which is a fantasy because it doesn't exist, is the result still BotW? Can you say that with 100% certainty?

I mean, you can assume, but you can't say, hence a response like that.

If other companies are capable of creating games just as good or better, why do you think you have to have a ton of backwards thinking to make good games? This especially doesn't make sense for Breath of the Wild which changes by taking from other games.

I don't want to go point by point because I don't want to dogpile too much. I just don't think it's right to justify bad policy or decisions because a different part of the company is competent.

There's a big difference between keeping up with industry standards and producing a clone of your competition. If you think that the PS4 is so successful just because, then I don't really know what to say.
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 1:30 pm
Posted by sicboy
Because Awesome
Member since Nov 2010
77614 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:41 am to
Nintendo has such a reputation with their software that execs at either Sony or M$ would blow everyone at nintendo to get their games on their consoles. There would be no limitations.
Posted by Greace
Member since May 2009
4696 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:42 am to
I give zelda a pass. Now if Splatoon or mario look like that on the big screen ill become Sicboy II
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