re: Whatever........this is a "sicboy crapping on the Switch" thread, cuz reasons

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5/6 Of those are ps4 exclusives. So even though the Xbone can play them. its still not getting them.

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Okay. That was not even my point. The point was that other developers can release games that you can compare to Zelda etc on a creativity standpoint on other systems.

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And honestly. all I see is that with those types of companies making games "as good or better," and that's debatable, they just all feel the same. I know we disagree here, (and let's admit "as good or better," is just a really big problem. Equating Zelda to mario to halo to madden is just hard). Even Zelda feels different from Skyrim and Fallout, even if it was certainly inspired by them. On the other hand, I quit Fallout 4 because it just got samey. The world was bland, etc. It felt like every other open world game not named GTA V at the time (which somehow felt unique so kudos to that game).

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If you can't see creativity in those games, I don't know what to say.

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You are misreading this. This has nothing to do with quality.

All I mean is take Madden for instance. The goal is to replicate Football year after year. The goal is realism, that means, at the core, Madden can't really change. It would be unfair to say "Well, Madden isn't really as good as Zelda because it doesn't do anything new."

It isn't, because it literally can't be designed to be. That comparison doesn't work. It is the same game year after year on purpose, that's why it's hard to compare. Madden's greatness is going to be in how tightly it matches a real game of football, that's the goal. That's why it's hard to compare Madden to Zelda to Mario to Halo.

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I just don't get why Madden is even in the discussion. There are a ton of other games out there.

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You don't think a machine given that much more development time should, at the very minimum, play games from an older console?

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Xbone just recently gained the ability to play 360 games. PS4 cant play Ps3 games

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1) As said above, even the X1 can't play a good portion of those games (this is licensing, not hardware, but still, third party is now a completely separate and cutthroat game)

2) How does Nintendo make a mobile console powered enough to play Nioh and Horizon? Answer: They can't. Or better asked, Should the goal of every new console be to just make a standards based machine can play all older generations of games no matter what immediately?

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Just for the record I was never saying those games should be on Nintendo or have to be on Nintendo. I was just pointing out that these games are just as creative as anything Nintendo is doing. Once again going back to what the original comments were.

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1) Zelda 2? Four Swords? A Link to the Past? Wind Waker? A Link Between Worlds? All vastly different games. Different worlds. Different graphical approaches. Different systems, different tools, different problems

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Well I am really talking about every Zelda after Ocarina of Time. Zelda has replicated that template for every subsequent release. Skyward Sword changes things up a little bit but mostly in a bad way (motion controls, limited exploration, only one town, etc).

Should tell him to pick up Fast RMX its only 20$ and easily worthwhile

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How was mario kart 8 token? It was one of the best mario karts to come out in years. F-zero is literally a complaint year after year. Ill give you that it had no 3d mario. But it did have great mario platformers. Im unsure how Smash bros is token either. Its one of the more popular fighting games.

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They will release a new SMB and Mario Kart at least once literally every console generation because those games print money. They are the Nintendo equivalent of CoD and Battlefield.

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Disagree. Especially with this device. How much would the Switch cost if it could immediately play ports from the PS4 with little downscaling while staying mobile?

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This doesn't have anything to do with what I said. Standards and expectations of the industry do not necessarily equate to more processing power. Switch being a capable machine while being portable is already a big differentiator. They just also needed to not have the long list of cons or missing features to go along with it.

It's not my job to come up with innovations for video game companies to try to attract an audience. Sony and MS each do their thing to attract people. They've dabbled in 4K, VR, motion controls, Streaming Games as a Service, and streaming (one of the best ideas Sony has ever had is the Share button on the DS4). That doesn't mean they have to do all of those things, but they could at least do things like cloud saves, multimedia apps, twitch streaming, etc.

Not to mention you're discounting Nintendo's strength which is the ability to draw upon incredible nostalgia and decades of great games that could (and should) already be available for download. I would get a Virtual Console subscription with the ability to stream/download these games in a heartbeat.

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I mean, are you saying "I'd rather them not make the Switch and make a normal home console with standard specs that can play third party games?" How is that not generic? What would separate them? Just the games?

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Of course. The most important part of any games console is the games. This the most important reason why people will buy your games. You have the games that people want to play, people will buy the console. Nintendo's problem is that you need more than a robust 1st party to make an impact, you need a good 1st party + 3rd party support to win (ala PS4 this gen).
If you don't produce any big, meaningful games for your console, but check all of the other boxes, then you have the Xbox One. It's a solid console and doing ok, but still getting outsold 2:1.

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all of the Zelda games are pretty high quality. skyward sword's biggest failing is trying to make the overworld a puzzle, something you couldn't mindlessly traverse, and I guess they did that, it's just that it wasn't really all that good and it sacrificed what little freedom the series had left for players.

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I mean, Skyward Sword really didn't have an overworld. The "sky" tries to be the overworld, but it really doesn't cut it. The world ended up feeling too segmented, almost like it was level-based.

I liked Skyward Sword except for that aspect.

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TP was the illusion of freedom, but at least it had that. I really like SS, I think it gets a bum rap for being so ridiculously overrated by critics. they were at a fork in the road here and went in the less desirable direction. There is clearly the willingness to shake things up, but they stripped the wrong things and left in all the stale elements.

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Now I like TP -- not as much as Wind Waker -- but I do like TP. The overworld is a bit sparse though.

How many "it's just going to be patched" issues are they, and has nintendo actually come out and said they're going to do anything about them?