re: Whatever........this is a "sicboy crapping on the Switch" thread, cuz reasons

You're complaining about a known not all the way complete UI?

We know updates are coming for all that shite

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If other companies are capable of creating games just as good or better, why do you think you have to have a ton of backwards thinking to make good games?

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I never said it's necessary or required, but it is what has happened. I said I don't know what would happen on the contrary. Creativity is a weird thing sometimes. And honestly. all I see is that with those types of companies making games "as good or better," and that's debatable, they just all feel the same. I know we disagree here, (and let's admit "as good or better," is just a really big problem. Equating Zelda to mario to halo to madden is just hard). Even Zelda feels different from Skyrim and Fallout, even if it was certainly inspired by them. On the other hand, I quit Fallout 4 because it just got samey. The world was bland, etc. It felt like every other open world game not named GTA V at the time (which somehow felt unique so kudos to that game).

I mean, it's high quality and it's a good game, but eh, it was kind of boring. (For comparison sake, I've played Fallout from day 1-meaning top down Interplay Fallout, just like I've played Zelda from Day 1. It's a fair comparison).

That's the difference I wouldn't risk losing, regardless of how "better" decisions could be made.

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I don't want to go point by point because I don't want to dogpile too much. I just don't think it's right to justify bad policy or decisions because a different part of the company is competent.

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That's fair, and I don't mean to justify them. But we're lumping lots of things together mixed with 4 days of public release.

Save File Problem - I just assume they'll fix it, and it isn't necessary now anyways - therefore not a real problem, yet. But yeah this is a result of how they thinking about hacking most likely. Always has been. Not a problem, and I wish they'd give up, but you can't blame them either.

Left Joycon - Problem, Needs to be fixed. Has 0 impact on Zelda design team internally, agree on that.

USB-Charger Location - Probably a slight Oversight, Probably Nintendo being Nintendo and laser focused on portability and how the system relates to the doc. Would another USB port at the top been possible? Don't know. Is it REALLY critical? Meh, again, not sure tabletop mode is meant for hours of Zelda.

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There's a big difference between keeping up with industry standards and producing a clone of your competition.

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Disagree. Especially with this device. How much would the Switch cost if it could immediately play ports from the PS4 with little downscaling while staying mobile?

I mean, are you saying "I'd rather them not make the Switch and make a normal home console with standard specs that can play third party games?" How is that not generic? What would separate them? Just the games?
And are you sure that MOST people who have Xboxes and PS4s would buy this? Because that's the ONLY way for that route to be successful. They'd have to win the majority of all home core gamer console sales.

Would they then also have to chase 4k, VR, and Cloud Computing? I mean they'd HAVE to. Where Microsoft and Sony rely on other whole divisions to design and development non-game components and software. Microsoft can make a VR device and immediately sell it to both the Xbox crowd and the massive PC/Laptop install base. Sony can rely on television and music arms to buff out the media stuff. Nintendo goes the same route with VR.....they have the Nintendo Console crowd to sell to, and that's it. They don't have media arms to include easily. Etc.

5/6 Of those are ps4 exclusives. So even though the Xbone can play them. its still not getting them.

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It all seems like a very strange move from Nintendo, given its biggest competitors Xbox and PlayStation offer online cloud storage, and make it easy to physically swap content between systems.

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You read stuff like this and it drives home the fact that Nintendo just doesn't get it. They act like they are stuck in 1992, and haven't paid any attention to trends in the console market since the SNES days. They're going to do their own thing which I appreciate, but they're going to do it with underpowered hardware and minus many standard features that became an expectation a console generation ago.

Until about a month ago, I had no idea that Wii U e-shop purchases were tied to the console. That literally blew my mind.

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Well, Madden isn't really as good as Zelda because it doesn't do anything new

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It's not like Zelda did anything new prior to this new game. If you played Ocarina of Time, you've literally played every other Zelda made up to a couple weeks ago.

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It's not like Zelda did anything new prior to this new game. If you played Ocarina of Time, you've literally played every other Zelda made up to a couple weeks ago.

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1) Zelda 2? Four Swords? A Link to the Past? Wind Waker? A Link Between Worlds? All vastly different games. Different worlds. Different graphical approaches. Different systems, different tools, different problems.

2) Madden literally has to have the same trappings, the same approach, the same control, the same systems, the same teams, etc.

The best they can do is add more realism, a change in how you press a button or hit someone, and a new UI and music. That's about it. You can't suddenly cell-shade Madden and get away with it. You can't suddenly change the teams and locations and be ok.

Well, unless you bring back Mutant League Football (pretty please!)

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I mean here is a list of games you won't find on Nintendo but released on the PS4 in the last 3 months. All great games by account.

Horizon Zero Dawn
Nioh
Resident Evil 7
Yakuzo 0
Gravity Rush 2
Nier Automata

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Also, are we comparing a 4 day old console to a 4-year Old console?

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Also, are we comparing a 4 day old console to a 4-year Old console?

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Well........yeah. You don't think a machine given that much more development time should, at the very minimum, play games from an older console?


They probably could do themselves a favor and back off from the home console talk, because it simply doesn't hang. At all. A good portable device that needs 3 inches of bubble wrap is the angle they need to hammer home from now on.

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but why do they avoid something so basic as a cloud service, a feature that would make the SD card issues a moot point? It's either oversight (inexcusable) or flat out arrogance, "our machine doesn't need that option".

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Woah now.

Cloud service wasn't the norm until the middle of last gen. (PS3 Needed an update to do it, don't remember if the 360 had it on release). AND both Sony and Microsoft have had paid services for 2 gens now to build support for this.

Nintendo not having free cloud storage service on release is not an oversight or arrogance it's probably resource and business ops. They are just now in this gen getting into the paid online game (AND getting some pushback for paid services).

I would note that I don't expect cloud saves, however, and if they do have it in the future, probably not fully featured.

Your expectations are just way off with that, and I'm not sure how necessary "cloud service" is anyways. As long as we can move data from card to device to other cards, that's fine really.