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re: Upcoming Breweries to the Louisiana Market
Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:16 pm to urinetrouble
Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:16 pm to urinetrouble
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that hop has been all the rage lately.
I have had some beers recently that I thought for sure had Mosaic hops in it, but turns out they didn't. So there are some similar tasting hops out there.
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Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:21 pm to Jax-Tiger
Well, I believe they call it mosaic because it has a little bit of every typical hop flavor in it. So, it can be a tricky one to nail down. Some people have said they pick up blueberry and bumblegum from mosaic. I always get a little tropical fruit juice.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:25 pm to ProjectP2294
Seems like a nice place to leave this
Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:26 pm to urinetrouble
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I believe they call it mosaic because it has a little bit of every typical hop flavor in it.
That's probably it, because I have had several IPA/DIPA's that are single-hop Mosaic only beers. So many other beers have 5 or more different hops, which together, may taste like the Mosaic. Interesting.
Mosaic is a new hop on the market, so I'm sure these farmers around here will be ramping up to meet the demand in the next few years.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:29 pm to urinetrouble
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Well, I believe they call it mosaic because it has a little bit of every typical hop flavor in it. So, it can be a tricky one to nail down. Some people have said they pick up blueberry and bumblegum from mosaic. I always get a little tropical fruit juice.
I had a brewer describe mosaic as a slutty hop because it wants to taste like all the other hops.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:39 pm to Jax-Tiger
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Mosaic is a new hop on the market, so I'm sure these farmers around here will be ramping up to meet the demand in the next few years.
I've always wondered how this works with all of the new patented hop varieties. Do the farmers contact the patent holder or the other way around?
I remember reading that at one point there was a single farm that was the only place licensed to grow Amarillo hops.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:46 pm to rutiger
I've done some reading on mosaic in the past, and i believe they say that mosaic hops come from the same strand of hops as citra and cascade. A lot of cross breeding in hops.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:48 pm to LSUGrad00
I'm going off of nurseries as that's what I know, but some plants are trademarked and others patented and trademarked. Trademark only protects the name. Patenting protects the plant and you can't asexually propagate the plant, eg cloning, tissues, etc. Used to be you could propagate patented plants from natural sexual reproduction, but you couldn't sell it by the trademarked name. Monsanto has really thrown a wrench into the natural reproduction propagation aspect with their GM crops. There have been some big battles fought over that recently.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:49 pm to BugAC
And what i've found with brewing with mosaic, is that mosaic on it's own is great. But mosaic with other hops, tends to enhance those hop flavors.
My Jolly Klaus, i used mosaic, and my additions of other hops were accompanied at every stage with equal parts mosaic. I the bright flavor from the mosaic really stands out, and it really accentuated the cascade and simcoe. Gave the simcoe a delicious aroma and a sort of citra-pine like flavor. Made the cascade taste like a ball of sunshine, very bright.
My Jolly Klaus, i used mosaic, and my additions of other hops were accompanied at every stage with equal parts mosaic. I the bright flavor from the mosaic really stands out, and it really accentuated the cascade and simcoe. Gave the simcoe a delicious aroma and a sort of citra-pine like flavor. Made the cascade taste like a ball of sunshine, very bright.
This post was edited on 1/15/14 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:51 pm to BugAC
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The best way to get a sense of what hops you want to use while brewing, is by simply finding the IPA you like, and find out what hops are used in that beer.
Single hop beers are great for this. Some relatively easy to obtain examples:
Bell's Two Hearted Ale - Centennial
FFF Zombie Dust - Citra
SN Pale Ale - Cascade (mostly, I believe)
Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:54 pm to urinetrouble
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Single hop beers are great for this
Agree, but stay away from single hop mikkeller. Absolutely awful. I tried a Mikkeller Citra, and it tasted like the beer was about 10 years old. Stale malt and minimal hop flavor.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:56 pm to BottomlandBrew
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Posted by BottomlandBrew I'm going off of nurseries as that's what I know, but some plants are trademarked and others patented and trademarked. Trademark only protects the name. Patenting protects the plant and you can't asexually propagate the plant, eg cloning, tissues, etc. Used to be you could propagate patented plants from natural sexual reproduction, but you couldn't sell it by the trademarked name. Monsanto has really thrown a wrench into the natural reproduction propagation aspect with their GM crops. There have been some big battles fought over that recently.
I read an article somewhere about the creation of new hops and its a lengthly process that takes many years for a hop to get a name. Some breweries have been using experimental hops that arent named yet and just have a number. A lot of it comes down to stability of the strain and how well it grows.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:56 pm to BugAC
Sorry to thread hijack but I didn't see the FBD.
at Spec's debating between Dale's Pale Ale and Karbach Weekend Warrior Pale Ale. Had Dales and liked it a lot but haven't tried this Karbach. Which one would you get?
at Spec's debating between Dale's Pale Ale and Karbach Weekend Warrior Pale Ale. Had Dales and liked it a lot but haven't tried this Karbach. Which one would you get?
This post was edited on 1/15/14 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:57 pm to BugAC
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I've done some reading on mosaic in the past, and i believe they say that mosaic hops come from the same strand of hops as citra and cascade. A lot of cross breeding in hops.
Mosaic is a cross between Simcoe and Nugget.
Interestingly Citra is a cross between Hallertau and Tettnang. Talk about an cross of hops resulting in an awesome product.
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Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:57 pm to BugAC
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Posted by BugAC quote: Single hop beers are great for this Agree, but stay away from single hop mikkeller. Absolutely awful. I tried a Mikkeller Citra, and it tasted like the beer was about 10 years old. Stale malt and minimal hop flavor.
It probably was 10 years old. Fresh single hop mikkellers are awesome and a great showcase for each hop.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:28 pm to BugAC
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I tried a Mikkeller Citra, and it tasted like the beer was about 10 years old.
I had one so bad I sent a picture to B asking what was wrong with it
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:35 pm to BugAC
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Agree, but stay away from single hop mikkeller. Absolutely awful.
It was no accident that I didn't mention those.
The ones I've had have been "okay" I guess. But who knows on the freshness.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:42 pm to BugAC
quote:PLEASE
Dogfish
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:55 pm to rds dc
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That is a crime... maybe a hint that the craft beer market is reaching saturation in Houston
I think that it may have been just sitting in the warehouse and the beer ladies didn't check the born on date-and probably don't know that it was old!
Some of the special releases are a cluster-particularly the St. Arnold Divine Reserve series. Damn releases are being advertised in the newspaper here so you have people "trending" the release and not even knowing what they're buying. Check the BA forums for comments-lots of animosity gets poured out for some of these special releases.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 3:07 pm to rutiger
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I read an article somewhere about the creation of new hops and its a lengthly process that takes many years for a hop to get a name. Some breweries have been using experimental hops that arent named yet and just have a number. A lot of it comes down to stability of the strain and how well it grows.
I read the same article. It was either Zymurgy or BYO.
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