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re: This is why we can't have nice things (ATC related)
Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:06 pm to rutiger
Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:06 pm to rutiger
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The law states they can sell up to 10% of their production at the brewery, so how else do you sell beer without "acting like a retailer"?
I tend to wonder how much of a push the distributors and their lobbyists are placing on this situation, im sure they're pissed they are missing their cut.
I don't think this is coming from distributors... they still get to be the middle man for 90% or more of the in-state beer (minus brewpubs) and 100% of anything from outside of Louisiana, and that hasn't changed in several years. Plus the restrictions on how they can and can't distribute their allotments can't be something that makes them happy.
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:07 pm to Salmon
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Armed agents show up at the brewery
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an armed agent in swat gear will barge into
C'mon guys, the ATC is just protecting your freedoms. Much the same way these guys did.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:07 pm to TigerWise
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The root of a lot of these current issues starts with some retailers or trade groups of retailers complaining to the ATC that brewers are "acting too much like retailers" and essentially taking their business.
Pvenue Aub
So the vibrancy of an industry is the only reason my business exists, but heavens to Betsy, I don't want them to get too vibrant.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:08 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Screw this freaking state up, down, backwards and to next Tuesday.
It really is despicable. From education to conservation and now this. Lol @ Louisiana
This post was edited on 2/10/17 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:08 pm to TigerWise
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Pvenue Aub
Dont think I have been back in there since Polly sold me sour BCBS as "the way they intended it to be"
She should be stripped of her retail license. Especially if GI refunded her money and she still sold it.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:11 pm to fightin tigers
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Dont think I have been back in there since Polly sold me sour BCBS as "the way they intended it to be"
At least the bartender when I was there admitted it was a fricked up batch, while still trying to pawn it off anyway (at the listed price, of course) as an "interesting sour variation."
Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:15 pm to TigerRob20
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And good god, check out the landing page for their site:
LINK
Looks like NWA is about to drop a new album.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:18 pm to Salmon
so whats going to happen to the tap room @ tin roof?
Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:19 pm to tke857
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so whats going to happen to the tap room @ tin roof?
Still open, no changes to standard business hours, just can't directly promote any special events.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:19 pm to TigerWise
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Pvenue Aub
For real or are you just joking around?
Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:20 pm to rutiger
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The law states they can sell up to 10% of their production at the brewery, so how else do you sell beer without "acting like a retailer"?
I tend to wonder how much of a push the distributors and their lobbyists are placing on this situation, im sure they're pissed they are missing their cut.
Gotta go through a distributor. It's been that way since prohibition because of abuse to the system. 3 tier system has its flaws, but it pays my bills
Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:22 pm to TH03
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It's been that way since prohibition because of abuse to the system.
This sentence doesn't make sense, you realize?
I'm all good with you putting food on the table however you need to do so, I'm just saying.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:25 pm to TH03
Texas can self distribute now, right?
Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:27 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Yes I worded it poorly
Producers were basically unchecked so the 3 tier system was put in so you couldn't be the producer, distributor, and retailer. I guess it was right at the time, but currently it just helps the big guys and hurts the people trying to break into the market, like this thread is about.
Producers were basically unchecked so the 3 tier system was put in so you couldn't be the producer, distributor, and retailer. I guess it was right at the time, but currently it just helps the big guys and hurts the people trying to break into the market, like this thread is about.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:30 pm to Salmon
I think so, but most of the growing brands sell distribution rights. I sell some local Texas wines and brands like community and deep ellum are with Ben e Keith I believe as well as selling at the brewery.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:32 pm to TH03
If followed properly the three-tier system does serve a purpose in preventing the big breweries from strong-arming smaller retailers into only carrying their products. The point was to prevent tied houses like you see in Ireland, where each little pub is only going to carry one group of beer. You'll see all Guinness products (owned by Diageo), or all Heineken International products, never both.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:36 pm to LSUBoo
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just can't directly promote any special events.
Is a beer release a special event? Say they put smiling ivan over cocao nibs.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:37 pm to LSUBoo
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point was to prevent tied houses like you see in Ireland, where each little pub is only going to carry one group of beer. You'll see all Guinness products (owned by Diageo), or all Heineken International products, never both.
That's the wording I was looking for
As far as your first point, that still happens, it's just paid for/negotiated instead of bullied. Theyll fight for the ability to create and revamp the wine sets in stores to where more of their product is there. Or buy nice wine racks for them with the stipulation that only their product can fill it.
The end result is the same in a lot of cases, they only changed the means.
This post was edited on 2/10/17 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:39 pm to fightin tigers
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Is a beer release a special event? Say they put smiling ivan over cocao nibs.
That's perfectly legit. They did Ivan over cocoa nibs last Friday in fact.
Saying that Specific Local Restaurant will be serving BBQ on Thursday, or that a band called Insert Band Name Here will be playing Sunday night, or that Local Yoga Company will be hosting yoga next Wednesday... not cool. That's acting too much like a retailer.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 12:40 pm to TH03
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As far as your first point, that still happens, it's just paid for/negotiated instead of bullied.
Sure, except now the distributors are doing it, not the breweries.
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