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Seafood stock recipe for shrimp gumbo (recommendations)

Posted on 9/12/23 at 5:59 am
Posted by Yeahbuddy35
Swagtown USA
Member since Nov 2021
153 posts
Posted on 9/12/23 at 5:59 am
Need help making a seafood stock for my seafood gumbo. Should I use fish heads? Does the type of fish heads matter? Shrimp heads/shells? I made one last year and it came out too fishy so I need some help.
Posted by Chipand2Putts
trembling hills
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Posted on 9/12/23 at 6:05 am to
No fish heads
Shellfish only: shrimp heads and shells, crab bodies if you got em
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
50133 posts
Posted on 9/12/23 at 6:15 am to
Agreed. Add trimmings from onion, celery and bell pepper to shrimp heads/shells. Simmer a couple of hours if you have time.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101470 posts
Posted on 9/12/23 at 6:19 am to
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Shrimp heads/shells? I made one last year and it came out too fishy so I need some help.


Don’t use the heads of the shrimp, just the shells and tail. A legit chef guy who posted here convinced me of this. He said using the heads for a stock just mucks it up. Just the shells yields a lovely clearer seafood essence stock. I like to sauté them in a glimmer of oil to the point they turn pink before adding water v
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 9/12/23 at 6:26 am to
I find fish heads make a stock that is "too fishy tasting".

My go-to are the shrimp heads and peels. They don't need to be cooked down anywhere near as long as I cook down chicken, beef or pork stocks.

Only advice I can give is when the shrimp stock is done, strain it well----I use a chinois which is a very fine mesh stainless steel strainer. Let the stock come to near room temperature and put it in the fridge to cool overnight. Next day use a ladle to remove the stock being real careful to not disturb any sludge on the bottom of the container. No matter how much you strain it, there will be some sludge.

Bag it up in quart freezer bags to save some if you have enough. I make my stock when I buy 25 or more lbs. of fresh shrimp and usually get a couple gallons worth.
Posted by HeadyMurphey
Los Santos
Member since Jan 2008
17185 posts
Posted on 9/12/23 at 7:03 am to
I use shrimp heads and shells. Some crab shells if I have them. I brown them on a cookie sheet in the oven, then add to water, simmer then strain
Posted by Professor Dawghair
Member since Oct 2021
1061 posts
Posted on 9/12/23 at 7:03 am to
When you find yourself without shrimp shells for a stock, this comes in handy. I've used it in small amounts for a dish serving a few people and large amounts serving 100 and have been pleased with the results.

Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 9/12/23 at 7:20 am to
you don’t get the fat if you don’t use heads. A gentle simmer will keep the stock clear. 20-30 minutes is all it takes
Posted by MobileJosh
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Member since May 2018
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Posted on 9/12/23 at 8:37 am to
quote:

Don’t use the heads of the shrimp, just the shells and tail. A legit chef guy who posted here convinced me of this. He said using the heads for a stock just mucks it up



Lots of flavor left out if you're not using heads. Strain thru some cheesecloth if you're put off by any grit. Sautéing the shells in a bit of oil prior is a great tip though. Or throw them on a cookie sheet and into the oven until pink.
This post was edited on 9/12/23 at 8:38 am
Posted by mikie421
continental shelf
Member since Nov 2008
688 posts
Posted on 9/12/23 at 9:16 am to
Two tips:

Roast your crabs in the oven for about 45 minutes at 350.

Make a double stock….make first batch with water, then second batch using stock to replace water.

Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
72031 posts
Posted on 9/12/23 at 9:28 am to
quote:

Don’t use the heads of the shrimp




I want all the muck
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101470 posts
Posted on 9/12/23 at 9:48 am to
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want all the muck


It doesn’t really do anything to enhance a stock.

For something like a butter emulsion in barbecue shrimp, it’s a different story.
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
Member since Jul 2004
9562 posts
Posted on 9/12/23 at 9:56 am to
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Simmer a couple of hours if you have time.
Just saw a cooking video by ATK for Shrimp Scampi that instructed to simmer the shells no more than 5 minutes because the flavinoids begin to dissipate after that. In the past, I have limited the boil time to no more than 25 minutes. I did that because i found it gets gritty.
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 9/12/23 at 10:01 am to
As said by others, no fish heads. Simmer, don't boil, the shells. It doesn't take long to get shrimp stock. I wouldn't go over 30 minutes.
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
50133 posts
Posted on 9/12/23 at 10:04 am to
Lots don't recommend taking a seafood stock past 30 minutes or so...generally short prep times. I like to mix vegetable trimmings in my stocks, even shrimp. I go a long time. I strain them well. I prefer a rich, reduced stock to work with.
Posted by SUB
Member since Jan 2001
Member since Jan 2009
20868 posts
Posted on 9/12/23 at 11:02 am to
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I want all the muck


Same here. I'm not cooking for a competition so I care less that the stock is "clear" and more about the taste, which to me, is undeniably better when including shrimp heads in the stock.
Posted by CHEDBALLZ
South Central LA
Member since Dec 2009
21933 posts
Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:16 pm to
Get some fresh shrimp, peel them, bake the peelings at 375 for about 15 minutes, then simmer them for a couple hours. You can also add some crab peelings to your stock.


Another option is to just get some lobster bouillon and use that.
Posted by BigDropper
Member since Jul 2009
7638 posts
Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:50 pm to
quote:

Should I use fish heads?
Interesting that you should bring this up. I was revisiting On Food and Cooking by Harold McGee just last night and read his perspective on fish and shellfish stock.

He recommends that, if you use fish to make your stock, do not simmer it in the water. Instead, make a court-bouillon and then add the fish once it is cooled down to 175°F before briefly poaching the fish. Has to do with the the low melting point and water solubility of fish collagen.
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Does the type of fish heads matter?
Conventional wisdom suggests the use of mild white flesh fish for stock making (snapper, grouper, halibut) and to avoid oily fish (salmon, mackerel, herring).

Couple of tips for maximum flavor extraction.
* Sautee and smash the shells before adding veg
* Sautee vegetables before adding water
* Start with cold water
* Add a tablespoon of vinegar per gallon of water
* Skim the scum
* Strain your stock through a fine sieve and or cheese cloth
* Press the shells and veg to extract all the liquid before discarding
Posted by MeridianDog
Home on the range
Member since Nov 2010
14208 posts
Posted on 9/12/23 at 1:10 pm to
Do what Otis said. Gris Gris would have said the same. Probably Balls and Darla, too. They are the best the board has.
This post was edited on 9/12/23 at 1:11 pm
Posted by No Disrespect But
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2014
292 posts
Posted on 9/12/23 at 1:34 pm to
Most "rules" of stock apply to restaurants, which use stocks in multiple ways, not known in advance.

For example, restaurants want stocks to be clear so they can be used for consomme, or dishes like that. But since you're making a stock for gumbo, clarity is of no concern.

If you have fish heads, use them, they have tremendous flavor. But first remove the gills, which are bitter.

Nothing is to be gained by cooking fish fumet at high heat, or for a long time. Cook it at the gentlest simmer - 180 degree F is enough.

30 minutes is plenty of time. If you want to flavor it or reduce it further, strain out the bones after 30 minutes, then add your veg and boil away.
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