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Please help with knives and knife maintenance
Posted on 2/4/21 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 2/4/21 at 1:21 pm
I'm getting pretty frustrated with buying pretty decent knives and enjoying them at first and then not being able to maintain or put a factory edge back on them.
(Been using Henkels double mans and I hone before every use, never been happy with any sharpener that I have used)
So I'm asking for suggestions for knives that people are happy with that last for many years.
Techniques for keeping and maintaining their edges.
And all of the equipment that I should keep on hand to accomplish all of this.
Tia.
(Been using Henkels double mans and I hone before every use, never been happy with any sharpener that I have used)
So I'm asking for suggestions for knives that people are happy with that last for many years.
Techniques for keeping and maintaining their edges.
And all of the equipment that I should keep on hand to accomplish all of this.
Tia.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 1:31 pm to Kingpenm3
Get a 6 inch curved boning knife at any restaurant store. You can probably use it for 90% of your cutting and it costs $20. Buy a new one every year.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 1:32 pm to Kingpenm3
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Kingpenm3
What kind of cutting board are you using?
Posted on 2/4/21 at 1:34 pm to Kingpenm3
I got a black and decker electric knife sharpener for Christmas. I can’t speak for it being a maximum quality knife sharpener, but all of my knives are extremely sharp right now.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 1:36 pm to Kingpenm3
Cutting board as mentioned, it makes a difference.
I use the steel that came with mine to get a quick edge and 10 years I bought an electric sharpener, when BB&B used to have those great sales. It is a 3 stage sharpener. Stage 1 is for something you find in the yard, way to rough. Stage 2 I use 1-2 times and stage 3 is very fine. They come out really sharp. I do this probably 2 times a year.
We have original Wustoffs bought in 1998.
I use the steel that came with mine to get a quick edge and 10 years I bought an electric sharpener, when BB&B used to have those great sales. It is a 3 stage sharpener. Stage 1 is for something you find in the yard, way to rough. Stage 2 I use 1-2 times and stage 3 is very fine. They come out really sharp. I do this probably 2 times a year.
We have original Wustoffs bought in 1998.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 1:44 pm to Kingpenm3
Get a GOOD steel and use it every time you use your knife. Also as others have said get a good wooden cutting board.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 2:00 pm to unclejhim
Steels are used to keep a knife sharp. A sharpener or a stone sharpens the knife. A steel helps keep your edge aligned. But a stone puts the edge on.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 2:15 pm to SixthAndBarone
I have a bunch of shuns and wusthoffs. I know how to use stones to sharpen. I had a ken onion worksharp. I used to keep my blades scary sharp by honing them prior to any use, and spending a few hours a couple times a year to sharpen them all at once. (I am just a home cook, not a pro).
That being said, I used Knife Aid a few weeks ago and will use their services from here on out. Super quick and easy send out company that sharpens most any blade you can find. You can even request different degree edges on different knives.
That being said, your cutting surface, your honing, how you clean, and how you use your blade will dictate how sharp it stays.
Use end grain wood cutting boards, hone before each use, hand wash only immediately after use, and don’t sweep your board with the sharp edge of your blade. That is 80% of keeping a blade sharp. The other 20% is using the correct blade for the right job (don’t use a chefs knife as a cleaver and don’t try to cut through bones or cartilage with thin blades) and finding a way to keep your mother in law from cutting things on your granite counter tops.
Good luck. As a home cook, you should still need to give them an honest to god sharpening once or twice a year.
That being said, I used Knife Aid a few weeks ago and will use their services from here on out. Super quick and easy send out company that sharpens most any blade you can find. You can even request different degree edges on different knives.
That being said, your cutting surface, your honing, how you clean, and how you use your blade will dictate how sharp it stays.
Use end grain wood cutting boards, hone before each use, hand wash only immediately after use, and don’t sweep your board with the sharp edge of your blade. That is 80% of keeping a blade sharp. The other 20% is using the correct blade for the right job (don’t use a chefs knife as a cleaver and don’t try to cut through bones or cartilage with thin blades) and finding a way to keep your mother in law from cutting things on your granite counter tops.
Good luck. As a home cook, you should still need to give them an honest to god sharpening once or twice a year.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 2:18 pm to Kingpenm3
Send them off to the company to be professionally sharpened. Most if not all quality knife manufacturers offer this service.
It is inevitable that any knife will lose it's edge with use. You can minimize this and prolong the need for sharpening by
- honing before each use (which fixes any minute bends in the metal; it does not sharpen the blade)
- using end grain chopping boards (this is most important)
- never cutting on glass, bamboo or any other hard surfaces
It is inevitable that any knife will lose it's edge with use. You can minimize this and prolong the need for sharpening by
- honing before each use (which fixes any minute bends in the metal; it does not sharpen the blade)
- using end grain chopping boards (this is most important)
- never cutting on glass, bamboo or any other hard surfaces
This post was edited on 2/4/21 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 2/4/21 at 2:26 pm to Jibbajabba
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and finding a way to keep your mother in law from cutting things on your granite counter tops.
I physically winced when I read that
But pretty much everything jibbajabba said... End grain cutting board, regularly hone, wash promptly, don’t scrape the board (buy a bench scraper for that), use the right knife, etc
Also, just a personal preference... I have a 3 levels of knives in my kitchen:
(1) A cheap block from our wedding registry - used to do real quick things for kiddo’s breakfast or lunch or whatever. Not real prep work. Throw these in the dishwasher when they need to be cleaned. They were never really sharp to begin with but if they ever get terrible, I’ll just buy a new block
(2) A handful of good quality but not too pricey knives. I take care of these and use a whetstone myself to sharpen them. I use these for most of my every day cooking
(3) a couple of nice Japanese knives that I got as gifts from Coutelier (local knife shop here in Nola). I bring these in to be sharpened professionally once or twice a year. I use these when I know I have a lot of prep work or need my sharpest knives. Probably overkill, but I like them a lot
Posted on 2/4/21 at 2:34 pm to kennypowers816
I know they sharpened them at the place in Perkins Rowe but they closed it
Not sure who else sharpens them around this area
Not sure who else sharpens them around this area
Posted on 2/4/21 at 2:37 pm to Kingpenm3
I have an expensive set of knives that I can’t keep sharp. I read that Donald Link uses Victorinox a lot and buys new ones once a year. I bought an 8 inch Victorinox chefs knife and it’s well worth the $40 I paid. I use it more than anything.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 2:37 pm to nicholastiger
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Not sure who else sharpens them around this area
I’m pretty sure you can bring your knives to Williams Sonoma to get them sharpened. I’ve never done it though.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 2:37 pm to kennypowers816
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don’t scrape the board (buy a bench scraper for that)
Unfortunately I am guilty of this; however, I flatten the blade on the board so as to not be scraping the edge across it. Basically I tilt it to about a 20 degree angle and then push the food so the board slides in the direction of the edge of the knife (meaning I push the dull side towards the food. IF you are one to use the knife in this way, this is probably a good technique to minimize your loss of edge
Posted on 2/4/21 at 3:22 pm to SixthAndBarone
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Steels are used to keep a knife sharp
quote:
A steel helps keep your edge aligned.
quote:I guess you missed this part...
and knife maintenance
Posted on 2/4/21 at 3:48 pm to Kingpenm3
Cutco...seriously. People love to hate on em bc of how they’re sold but they’re awesome. Stay sharp forever and lifetime warranty. Made in the USA.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 4:51 pm to SmokedBrisket2018
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What kind of cutting board are you using?
Usually a plastic mat. (This might be my issue??)
Posted on 2/4/21 at 4:57 pm to Jibbajabba
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don’t use a chefs knife as a cleaver and don’t try to cut through bones or cartilage with thin blades)
I'll add to this. Don't use a Japanese knife for chopping or breaking down a chicken. It WILL chip. German knives are much better for those tasks while a Japanese knife is perfect for slicing. Use the right knife for the task.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 5:12 pm to Midget Death Squad
quote:I just flip my wrist or blade and slide things off with the top edge.
Unfortunately I am guilty of this; however, I flatten the blade on the board so as to not be scraping the edge across it. Basically I tilt it to about a 20 degree angle and then push the food so the board slides in the direction of the edge of the knife (meaning I push the dull side towards the food. IF you are one to use the knife in this way, this is probably a good technique to minimize your loss of edge
Me: a steel about ever third use, at the same angle I've sharpened with, and use a super fine Arkansas stone from time to time. Maybe very lightly 2-3 times a year and they still don't have any scratches from being sharpening. Just be slow and deliberate with same approx time spent on each side. Helps I live alone and don't try to cut through the board.
(eta: didn't down vote you)
This post was edited on 2/4/21 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 2/4/21 at 5:36 pm to Kingpenm3
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Been using Henkels
The blade- edge angle for all Zwilling J.A. Henckels cutlery, with the exception of santoku knives, is 15 degrees on each side (30 degrees total). The blade-edge angle for santoku knives is 10 degrees on each side (20 degrees total)
Most kitchen knives are 17 degrees on each side, which is why your average sharpeners aren't giving you the best edge on your Henkels.
This post was edited on 2/4/21 at 5:39 pm
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