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re: Will anybody be changing draft strategy for 2016?

Posted on 1/5/16 at 8:59 pm to
Posted by BilJ
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Posted on 1/5/16 at 8:59 pm to
I'm not really arguing for or against zero RB. I think its foolish to go into a draft and lock yourself into anything pre determined. Draft for value, whether that means starting out WR-WR-WR, RB-RB-RB, RB-WR, etc etc etc

Do your homework, have confidence in your rankings, and hope you're right
Posted by TheWalrus
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Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:10 pm to
Auction drafts are the only way to go.
Posted by Kujo
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 7:21 am to
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I draft best available according to my cheat sheet. Caused me to go wr first three rounds this year.


WR is the way to go, no if ands or buts about it.

1. people who say BPA are being dumb in that at whatever spot you land, you will never have only RBs or one skill position to choose from.(Julio or Bell, Watkins or Lat.Murray, TY Hilton or Jon Stewart) so saying WR,WR,WR is NOT limiting yourself

2. WRs have longer FFB relevance during their careers, so while you need to hit a RB during his 3-4 good years, you have a better shot at getting production out of a WR while grabbing him during his 6-7 good years.

3. You don't have to waste picks and roster spots backing up your WR. You don't draft Odell or Antonio and feel compelled to grab Randel or Wheaton just in case, like you do with RBs.

4. Waiver Wires are for Running backs. When you grab a RB it is because he's the new guy getting the ball, when people use it for WRs they end up screwed(Stefan Diggs) because they got the guy who was being targeted and then eventually isn't in the same fashion. When coaches turn to a RB, you know for the most part what to expect in usage.


So IMHO, the SAFE play is to grab 5 WRs before thinking about any other position, then grabbing scraps, and then crafting a team by trading with WR weak teams and the WW.
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 8:14 am to
At the end of the day, in a snake just grab the best player available.

Anything you miss on can be made up for in the WW and trading.

WW was ridiculous this year and you have to think it'll be the same again next season.
Posted by forksup
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 8:40 am to
Kirk Cousins in the 12th
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 9:49 am to
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So IMHO, the SAFE play is to grab 5 WRs before thinking about any other position, then grabbing scraps, and then crafting a team by trading with WR weak teams and the WW.




Posted by jimithing11
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 9:55 am to
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RBs in general are not as easy to come by as they were this season and I see this year more as an outlier.



Agreed

Went WR heavy last year and whiffed a bunch on RB and record showed.
Went WR heavy this year and almost ran the table in the regular season because I was able to get by at RB with all the injuries
Posted by partywiththelombardi
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 10:30 am to
No draft strategy.

BPA

Dont completely miss on early picks. They dont need to be studs but they cant be complete duds either.

Nail the heart of your draft. The middle rounds are where ships are won.

Put the finishing touches on the rest of your roster through trades or the WW.
This post was edited on 1/6/16 at 10:31 am
Posted by GeauxTigers1996
New Orleans
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 10:37 am to
Going with best available. I've always used that strategy. I've won three championships and have never missed the playoffs using that strategy, so I'm not changing that strategy now.
Posted by Kujo
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 10:59 am to
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5 WRs so that you can have starters after you trade 1 or 2 away. Serviceable Dion Lewis' and Theo Reddick's til you can swap one out in trade or WW

grabbing a Melvin Gordon, CJ Anderson, or JonStewart after going wr-wr-wr will do you no good when guys like John Brown, TY Hilton, and Cobb are still available.

So grab a couple those to start, and then trade your AJ Green/D.Thomas(2nd or 3rd rounders) fora RB that is actually producing.

Seems that every year by week 3, most managers regret grabbing 1 or both of the backs that they picked in the first couple rounds. Lamar Miller,CJ Anderson, Jeremy Hill, when they could have had WRs that they KNEW would produce.

What WR in 2015 was a non-injury related BUST?
Now do the same for RB.

If Jstew starts tearing it up at 30, then trade for him. But guessing which RB will be worth a pick is riskier than grabbing the known at WR.
This post was edited on 1/6/16 at 11:05 am
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 11:08 am to
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5 WRs so that you can have starters after you trade 1 or 2 away.


Not a good idea. I'd rather draft my own team than to have to rely on trades to fill out my team. Never know what you're gonna be able to get for those guys. Maybe the only interested teams have players that you don't have any interst in.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 11:14 am to
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5 WRs so that you can have starters after you trade 1 or 2 away. Serviceable Dion Lewis' and Theo Reddick's til you can swap one out in trade or WW



this is easy to say after the fact.

if you draft 5 WRs, chances are they all wont hit. So to say you just trade them away for RBs is silly

on the same note, to assume you beat other teams to Dion Lewis or Theo Riddick is a little risky
Posted by GeauxTigers1996
New Orleans
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 11:40 am to
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5 WRs so that you can have starters after you trade 1 or 2 away


This may work in some leagues, but in the leagues where I play (12-team), WRs don't have much trade value because there are usually decent WR options available on the waiver wire.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 12:11 pm to
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What WR in 2015 was a non-injury related BUST?


Guys that went high that didn't live up to the billing:
DT88
Calvin Johnson
Cobb
Matthews
Tate

That's just rattling a few off and if you factor in injuries, which you should since you're doing it for RBs, then the list grows....Dez, Alshon, Nelson (depending on when you drafted), etc.

Look I went WR heavy this year, but to pretend its an automatic guarantee of success is a false narrative.
This post was edited on 1/6/16 at 12:13 pm
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 12:21 pm to
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on the same note, to assume you beat other teams to Dion Lewis 


Drafted him
Posted by drizztiger
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 12:24 pm to
quote:

grabbing a Melvin Gordon, CJ Anderson, or JonStewart after going wr-wr-wr will do you no good when guys like John Brown, TY Hilton, and Cobb are still available.

quote:

and then trade your AJ Green/D.Thomas(2nd or 3rd rounders)
I am confused as to the size of your league if Cobb was a 4th rounder this past season and DT88 and AJG were 3rd rounders. 8 team league? 6?
Posted by Kujo
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 1:50 pm to
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 am confused as to the size of your league if Cobb was a 4th rounder this past season and DT88 and AJG were 3rd rounders. 8 team league? 6?


Just going off the current top 50, not last year
Posted by Kujo
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 2:35 pm to
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Guys that went high that didn't live up to the billing:

DT88 105recs 1305 and 6tds? That's a bust I accept

Cobb-legit bust

Matthews- speculative HYPE, not bust

Calvin Johnson 88 recs 1,200 and 9 and is a bust? ~12th best

Tate- 90 catches, yardage decrease expected with healthy Calvin, in line with expectations



I've just been burned by RBs in the past:

This year by my scoring, only 6 of the top 25 projected RBs made it over 200 pts, 18 of the top 25 projected WRs scored over 200 pts.


Of the top 25 projected 2015 Wrs:
in 2014 17 WRs of those 25 scored more than 200
in 2013 13 WRs of those 25 scored more than 200

in 2013 8 of the 2015 top 25 projected WRs weren't in the league, so 13 out of 17 scored over 200 (shows consistency, year after year)

Now Rbs:

2015 6 out of 25
2014 11 out of 25
2013 8 out of 25

Of course you would expect 2014 to be highest because 2015 projections would be based on how they finished 2014, but even so, you are looking at BEST a 44% success rate at RB, and at WORST a 52% success rate at WR.

Further, of the actual 2015 top 25 RBs, only 10 were projected to be drafted in the top 5 rounds, which means that you still stood a chance to land 15 of the top 25 RBs after you drafted 5 WRs.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 3:09 pm to
I prefer to judge my WRs on what they gave me on a weekly basis. The blow up weeks are nice, but if you can find a large % of their season total came from a few games, well chances are they hurt you more than helped many weeks, looking at DT's, its not as bad as I thought so I'll take that one back.

Calvin, I don't think gave you consistent WR1 production throughout the year.
Posted by Kujo
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 3:26 pm to
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Calvin, I don't think gave you consistent WR1 production throughout the year.


agree, and that's where you just decide to draw the line. Like Steve Smiff and Fitz haven't been on my radar for at least 3 years, no matter how great they are doing.
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