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re: mozgov is everything I wish asik would be

Posted on 6/12/15 at 3:59 pm to
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 6/12/15 at 3:59 pm to
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That should be a legal trade, and if they strike out on Chandler and Lopez it could be possible.



I would rather that than a long term Asik deal then.
We will have cap space the next two summers to make things happen at that position.

Zaza is the only guy i found that had a worst shooting % from under the basket than Asik


In this scenario, we would get Zaza and Dudley, giving up Asik, and we would still have the MLE and BAE right?
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 6/12/15 at 4:11 pm to
Yes. That trade would let you keep your exceptions too.
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 6/12/15 at 4:12 pm to
I think another thing to discuss is: Which Asik do you expect next year if re-signed?

A) 2012-13 Asik
B) 2014-15 Pre AS breakAsik
C) 2014-15 Post AS break Asik

I ask, because only one of those versions was below average. The other two were exactly what we would wanted 10 mil per year would be a bargain where the cap is going if we got either A or C.

A or C are massive improvements over a guy like ZaZa or any center we can get for the MLE. But if you expect B, I could see wanting to go cheap.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 6/12/15 at 4:18 pm to
'13 Asik is the only guy that was good enough to make me want to keep him.

Asik was still shitty post AS break, and if that's what i'm getting for $10 million a year for the next 3 years
Just b/c he shot 55% from the field post AS break doesn't make him better. That's still shitty, considering all of his shots are under the basket, and he's 7 feet tall.

A is a an improvement over Zaza and Asik from last year. But even the Asik from '13 for the next 3 years at $10 million a year is something i'd rather not do.
I'd rather do somethign to patch the center position for just this year and go after someone next summer.

And I don't know what to expect to answer your question. it's not about skill, it's about his hustle and effort, which shouldn't be a problem, unless he's got an injury preventing him from trying harder.
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 6/12/15 at 4:25 pm to
You can't prove his hustle and effort was lacking, and I can't prove it was great. It is an eye of the beholder thing. All I remember is writing several recaps post AS break where I felt like Asik was one of the 2 or 3 most important players.

The hustle and effort thing always frustrates me. Heck, I heard people saying Lebron's was lacking last night. I think it is something people arbitrarily attach to players and/or use to explain the unexplainable (ex: We lost to X terrible team! We just didn't play hard!) <----- I hear that all the time. Maybe it is true, but I don't buy it unless I hear players or coaches call a guy out multiple times about it and Monty never felt that way about Asik and the players never said anything on or off record about him either.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 6/12/15 at 4:39 pm to
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You can't prove his hustle and effort was lacking,


When you see how much of a maniac he was in Houston, and then you see his play here, it's plain to see.

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I think it is something people arbitrarily attach to players and/or use to explain the unexplainable


The explainable part is that he can't jump or move quickly, then unexplainable part is why he doesn't try harder to over compensate for his lack of athleticism when we see guards come jumping over him to tip a rebound away from him, which happens every game. He's a great rebounder, but when you watch him, you can easily see he could be better if he was more aggressive attacking rebounds.
I'm tired of seeing smaller guys slap his arm or even the ball and he misses a dunk, which happens at least twice a game. He's 7 feet tall, go up like a man and throw it down on them. Have you seen Mozgov get blocked yet?

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Maybe it is true, but I don't buy it unless I hear players or coaches call a guy out multiple times about it and Monty never felt that way about Asik and the players never said anything on or off record about him either.


For 1, who's going to call someone out like that publicly, and maybe it's an injury that's contributing to it.
And B, why would you hear anything on or off record about him from players or Monty?


The announcers in the playoffs ragged on Asik the whole series about how his effort was lacking and couldnt' understand why he was so bad.

Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 6/12/15 at 4:42 pm to
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I understand why we need to resign him. Best case scenario is it's a 1 year deal.


i'm not going to argue any of your points because they are valid, i dont agree asik wasnt trying/playing hard but thats hard to prove either way

but, you keep saying sign him to a one year deal like thats even a remote possibilty. yes it would be great for the pels, but asik would never agree to that. its not going to happen
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 6/12/15 at 4:49 pm to
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but, you keep saying sign him to a one year deal like thats even a remote possibilty. yes it would be great for the pels, but asik would never agree to that. its not going to happen



I thought i made it clear that i don't think it will happen either.
Would he rather 3/27 or 1/14, if that's something we could throw at him for 1 year, if the front office is even thinking that he is not future.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 6/12/15 at 5:01 pm to
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i dont agree asik wasnt trying/playing hard but thats hard to prove either way



He definitely looked lethargic at times. Not sure if all of it can be blamed on injury. In my head I see Asik going all dirty euro trash and smoking a pack a day when he's not at the gym I don't know why, that's just what I see.

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sign him to a one year deal like thats even a remote possibilty


It is. I think the flood of better centers on the market will limit his options. He won't sign a 1 year $10 million deal, but I think he'd sign a 1 year $14+ million deal. The problem with that is him making that much money and adding the MLE puts you close enough to the tax line that you might not be able to keep guys like Ajinca.
This post was edited on 6/12/15 at 5:02 pm
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 6/12/15 at 5:08 pm to
hey I'd be ecstatic if he signed a 1 yr contract
I just don't think it could be for enough money to entice him to do it
one bad injury and he's fricked

and ajinca is gone anyway
he cannot play in a fast paced offense and somebody will overpay him
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61442 posts
Posted on 6/12/15 at 5:18 pm to
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I just don't think it could be for enough money to entice him to do it
one bad injury and he's fricked


The flip side is he gets a premium for this year and then next year he's a FA with a 40% increase in the cap and a lot less competition at center. We could also tell him we're going a different direction good luck getting even $8 per. This is really a bad year for Asik to be a FA, especially since the last thing everyone saw of him was being useless in the playoffs.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 6/12/15 at 6:17 pm to
A 2 year deal with an option seems like the most mutually beneficial. 2/$18 w/ player option seems fair.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 6/12/15 at 6:43 pm to
or 2/22 with a team option
Posted by TheSexecutioner
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 6/14/15 at 1:55 pm to
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Golden State played their centers for a total of like 5 minutes tonight


This. Asik dominated the Nuggets at least as thoroughly when they didn't play centers against us. He would look just as good against the midgets Golden State was playing defense. GS was alright with bleeding points at the center spot for whatever reason. If their strategy was to stop that, they would have played Bogut.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25455 posts
Posted on 6/15/15 at 7:08 am to
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Asik dominated the Nuggets at least as thoroughly when they didn't play centers against us.


print the t-shirts, we beat the Nuggets.

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He would look just as good against the midgets Golden State was playing defense.


He wouldn't and he didn't. He should have looked like Tristan Thompson has this series, but instead he just looked terrible and completely useless. He couldnt' even defend Bogut, which was the only reason he was in the game. Ryan Anderson actually played better one on one defense against Bogut.
I know Asik is better than that, and i have no idea why he looked so terrible.
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 9:53 am to
Surprised the guy with the Asik avy hasn't shown up in here to tell us how amazing Asik is yet
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 1:21 pm to
Wonder if that's me

My man Crews covered it for me
Posted by Solo
Member since Aug 2008
8235 posts
Posted on 6/15/15 at 1:35 pm to
Mozgov will be riding pine the rest of the way.

AD is our "big" or our "5". However Dell constructs this team, I sure hope it is with that in mind. We need a competent body to take some of the load off of AD, but that is it.

For cap purposes, sign Asik, but get ready to flip him in the next year or two.
This post was edited on 6/15/15 at 1:37 pm
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61442 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:09 pm to
Last 3 offensive possessions for Mozgov, fumbled pass in the lane and 2 blown point blank shots, he got fouled on the last one though. There are few 7 footers as coordinated and offensively able as most fans would like.
Posted by Solo
Member since Aug 2008
8235 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 10:02 pm to
Yep. AD is our 5.
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