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re: pels and sixers talking about okafor
Posted on 2/6/17 at 5:42 pm to touchdownjeebus
Posted on 2/6/17 at 5:42 pm to touchdownjeebus
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If that is the long term goal with him, he isn't worth a high 1st. we are gonna frick this up...
Pretty much.
Not forgetting Okafor has his own injury issues.
Of all the trades I thought we might get into, this beats all of them. And not in a good way.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 5:51 pm to TigerinATL
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If that were true they wouldn't be trying to trade for him. I really think Holiday is the Pels to lose, the question is, if Philly throws a full max at him, $31 million, do the Pels match? $20-$25 million is already iffy territory, if you go full max then you do have to start wondering if Rubio + trade assets for Jrue + $17 million in salary difference between Rubio/Holiday is better than keeping Holiday at all costs. Or rather paying him that much makes will make Holiday the new Asik just like Asik replaced Gordon.
As much cap space as Philly has would they really throw the max at Holiday?
Why not throw the max at him if you are Philly and really want him?
They are in such a unique position to overpay with few consequences that if you are Demps that has to be concerning you if you don't want to max him.
I mean who does Philly need to re-sign? Ilyasova? Covington in 2019 and then Embiid in 2020?
Front load Jrue or just max him outright if you are Philly. They can more then afford it.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 5:52 pm to JabarkusRussell
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Realgm says the trade is Jrue and a first for Okafor not Alexis.
Would blow my brains out
This post was edited on 2/6/17 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 2/6/17 at 6:10 pm to Crewz
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I would not want that guy starting. His future is in the Kanter role IMO
We don't have a Adams to start therefore Okafor would not be a back up.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 6:31 pm to chesty
You would think he would learn after trading previous first round picks pushed us from a bad team to an awful one. I know Okafor had promise coming out of college but how bad has he been? I haven't been able to follow much lately but it sounds like this would be yet another Demps move that gets us nowhere as a franchise.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 10:49 pm to tehchampion140
I don't think Demps will ever learn. He is completely incompetent.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 2:48 am to NOSHAU
there is some misunderstanding of reporta
the reported trade is Ajinca plus protected 2018 1st for Okafor (probably teams agreed about protections, don't believe that Philly agreed to lottery protected)
THEN there are reports that Jrue might be a part of bigger deal.
It is not Jrue and 1st for Okafor...
I think that it will be rather Jrue+Asik+2018 1st for Okafor and filler/sweetener
filler might be Sergio Rodriguez/Gerald Henderson (my guess)
personally expect other teams start calling when hearing Jrue Holiday name...
the reported trade is Ajinca plus protected 2018 1st for Okafor (probably teams agreed about protections, don't believe that Philly agreed to lottery protected)
THEN there are reports that Jrue might be a part of bigger deal.
It is not Jrue and 1st for Okafor...
I think that it will be rather Jrue+Asik+2018 1st for Okafor and filler/sweetener
filler might be Sergio Rodriguez/Gerald Henderson (my guess)
personally expect other teams start calling when hearing Jrue Holiday name...
Posted on 2/7/17 at 5:56 am to NOLA Bronco
I don't know if I'd agree that Okafor takes up the same space as AD. A lot of the highlights I'm seeing show him attacking the basket from 10-15 feet out because he's got a pretty damn good handle for a 7 footer. Again, I would see him filling the role we currently have Jones in minus pump faking from 3. Whether that's worth a 2018 1st is another question entirely and depends on what you can get for Jones. If Jones + Tyreke or Galloway can get you a mid-late 1st then I think you're better off taking Okafor who has upside and a cheaper deal than what Jones would likely cost to keep.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 6:17 am to TigerinATL
Okafor defense is a huge red flag.
Jones at least has the athleticism to defend the rim and on perimeter (sort of). Okafor has neither the athleticism nor the smarts/instincts to do much of anything on defense. i don't see how Davis/Okafor work defensively in a small ball league
doesnt mean he can't get better, but they could be giving up a lottery pick for a guy who can't play significant minutes next to Davis. that's a miss for me
ETA- not an egregious one. dumping Ajinca and getting a talent like Okafor on a rookie deal is fine. just not moving the needle big picture for me
Jones at least has the athleticism to defend the rim and on perimeter (sort of). Okafor has neither the athleticism nor the smarts/instincts to do much of anything on defense. i don't see how Davis/Okafor work defensively in a small ball league
doesnt mean he can't get better, but they could be giving up a lottery pick for a guy who can't play significant minutes next to Davis. that's a miss for me
ETA- not an egregious one. dumping Ajinca and getting a talent like Okafor on a rookie deal is fine. just not moving the needle big picture for me
This post was edited on 2/7/17 at 6:26 am
Posted on 2/7/17 at 6:37 am to corndeaux
honestly, if they're going down this path, see what it will take to get Ibaka. see what it will take to keep him this summer.
Davis/Holiday/Ibaka + whatever they get for 2017 1st on draft night + Hield makes more sense to me. huge payroll, but I'm not writing the checks
Davis/Holiday/Ibaka + whatever they get for 2017 1st on draft night + Hield makes more sense to me. huge payroll, but I'm not writing the checks
Posted on 2/7/17 at 7:18 am to pawel
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I think that it will be rather Jrue+Asik+2018 1st for Okafor and filler/sweetener filler might be Sergio Rodriguez/Gerald Henderson (my guess)
So we have to trade away Jrue and a 1st to get rid of Asik? No thanks.
If we are trading away Jrue, we better be getting a 1st back, not giving one out just to get rid of a dumb salary.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 7:21 am to corndeaux
okafor might be the worst big man defender in the league
everyone laughed at OKC maxing kanter but kanter is 20/10 potential off the bench playing next to Adams and good wing defenders. Pels have none of that
bad trade, very bad
if they do this get Noel instead
everyone laughed at OKC maxing kanter but kanter is 20/10 potential off the bench playing next to Adams and good wing defenders. Pels have none of that
bad trade, very bad
if they do this get Noel instead
This post was edited on 2/7/17 at 7:39 am
Posted on 2/7/17 at 8:00 am to cgrand
If we trade Jrue to Philly I'm taking my season tickets and mailing them back to Airline Drive
Posted on 2/7/17 at 8:20 am to corndeaux
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Okafor defense is a huge red flag.
Yeah, I don't get why everyone is saying Gentry wouldn't want him, I think it's Erman that wouldn't want him.
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Jones at least has the athleticism to defend the rim and on perimeter (sort of).
Also why I see this as a 2nd unit move. That's helped make Monroe and Kanter viable.
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smarts/instincts
Anyone expecting his rebounding to improve much, it usually doesn't. I wouldn't be aiming any higher than Terrence Jones with better shot selection and worse defense.
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they could be giving up a lottery pick for a guy who can't play significant minutes next to Davis. that's a miss for me
First, the pick needs to be lottery protected if all they're taking back is Ajinca. Second, me going along with this is completely contingent on Jones being packaged with one of Tyreke/Galloway/Frazier for a 1st. I'd rather
Okafor + Ajinca or Asik dump + 2017 mid-late 1st
than
Ajinca still on the roster + Jones leave for nothing + 2018 pick intact to be traded later for someone not even on a rookie contract.
This post was edited on 2/7/17 at 8:22 am
Posted on 2/7/17 at 8:29 am to chesty
ESPN rumors say the Bulls are interested in Okafer, now I'm certain Demps will throw in our 1st to make that trade happen and he'll take back some bloated contracts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 8:35 am to TigerinATL
Reading this thread back and the disagreement is for a classic reason: People are answering two different questions.
Does Okafor help you more than Ajinca and a pick that we can't assign to a player right now? Of course. The Pels roster is better tomorrow if this move is made
The people against this trade are answering a bigger picture question about whether this trade puts you on the correct path to be a great team
I'd like the pro trade people to talk about the second question, not the first. How is trading for this guy and what he is likely to become as a player better than keeping options open that could land you better or different kinds of players?
Does Okafor help you more than Ajinca and a pick that we can't assign to a player right now? Of course. The Pels roster is better tomorrow if this move is made
The people against this trade are answering a bigger picture question about whether this trade puts you on the correct path to be a great team
I'd like the pro trade people to talk about the second question, not the first. How is trading for this guy and what he is likely to become as a player better than keeping options open that could land you better or different kinds of players?
Posted on 2/7/17 at 8:47 am to Crewz
To me, this all depends on the protection of the pick and what the long term plan for Okafor is. If they are able to lottery protect the pick in 2018 and they see Okafor as a leader of the second unit, then I am okay with this trade.
Okafor can score and still can develop offensively. He will never be an above average defender or rebounder but I think he could be a better version of Greg Monroe. He projects to be better than most mid first round picks and will still be on a rookie deal.
I think a few posters have outlined why it would be ill advised to depend on Okafor as a starter or playing huge minutes with AD. Also, if the pick is not lottery protected then this is a non starter for me.
Okafor can score and still can develop offensively. He will never be an above average defender or rebounder but I think he could be a better version of Greg Monroe. He projects to be better than most mid first round picks and will still be on a rookie deal.
I think a few posters have outlined why it would be ill advised to depend on Okafor as a starter or playing huge minutes with AD. Also, if the pick is not lottery protected then this is a non starter for me.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 8:51 am to ThePistol
But didn't you get like 90% of that with T Jones? Or, couldn't you if you use him properly? Why give up an asset for a slightly better version (maybe) of the same guy?
Posted on 2/7/17 at 8:56 am to Crewz
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I'd like the pro trade people to talk about the second question, not the first. How is trading for this guy and what he is likely to become as a player better than keeping options open that could land you better or different kinds of players?
I look at it with these lenses:
1-If we keep the pick to draft a guy in 2018: We are waiting 3 years (from today) for this guy to contribute. If it's protected, say even just top 7, minimal chance this player moves the needle.
2- Keep options open: Vary rare does the opportunity present itself to land a young talent under control for a few years. Yes, Okafor has major flaws on defensive end, but he's only 20 and we get him until 2020 for dirt cheap. Hard to find another situation where a future first gives us that.
3- Fit and role for JO: I see a potential good fit next to AD. On offense, AD can space the floor and give JO room in the paint. On defense, JO hasn't played with a stretch 4 that can protect the lane and rebound like a C in AD.
4- Assets and young talent: We've been missing this for last few years. Okafor, Buddy, 2017 1st. Now we are getting somewhere. We've never had leverage in trades do to lack of assets.
If you ask me, would you draft Jahlil Okafor in 2018 with a pick outside the top 7? I say yes. And I get to get him a year and 1/2 early, even better!
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