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re: Spinoff: Why can't Louisiana be more like Texas economically?
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:28 am to White Goodman
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:28 am to White Goodman
Good ol' baws
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:36 am to BabyTac
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Texas is known nationally for primary and secondary education
I don't get this, it's average at best nationally. It's good for the south, I think Georgia/Florida outperforms them on some lists though. There are much better states up north.
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 8:38 am
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:38 am to White Goodman
Mention the word taxes in La, and everyone freaks out. We pay a crap ton of taxes over here.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:38 am to White Goodman
Well not to sound, well you know... it boils down to the make up of the demographics. % of people that actually work and produce a good or service vs Louisiana having a very very large % of its population rely on the government and its hand outs.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:40 am to Skeeter07
You price them out of your major population centers then.
As shitty as that sounds. Its what you do to fix that issue.
As shitty as that sounds. Its what you do to fix that issue.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:40 am to Dam Guide
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I don't get this, it's average at best nationally. It's good for the south, I think Georgia outperforms them on some lists though. There are much better states up north.
Texas isd very wildly depending on where they are. Brubs great and to a lesser extent nice neighborhood inner-city not so bad (especially compared to lousinana inner city schools)
Country and ghetto schools are going to be the bottom of the barrel national.
It doesn't help that all the baptist fricks still love to put Jesus in science books.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:40 am to Dam Guide
Lol wut?
I lived in Austin last year and I've never seen schools that compare. Those high schools are better than most major universities I've seen in Louisiana.
I've lived in NC, CA, went to college in CT, and lived briefly in MA and none of those school systems compare to schools in the Austin area.
I lived in Austin last year and I've never seen schools that compare. Those high schools are better than most major universities I've seen in Louisiana.
I've lived in NC, CA, went to college in CT, and lived briefly in MA and none of those school systems compare to schools in the Austin area.
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 8:43 am
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:42 am to White Goodman
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Lol wut? I lived in Austin last year and I've never seen schools that compare. Those high schools are better than most major universities I've seen in Louisiana. I've lived in NC, CA, went to college in CT, and lived briefly in MA and none of those school systems compare to TX.
Check every major school ranking website. Texas is always in the 20s, high 20s in a lot of cases. Sorry to bust your bubble, but it's not ranked that way. They might have some very good schools, but so do these states.
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 8:44 am
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:44 am to White Goodman
Education, education, education.
If Louisiana woke up tomorrow with equivalent public schools to Texas, then I think within two generations the states would be much more akin.
But when your state ranks 49th in the country in education, it's kind of a "you reap what you sow" situation.
If Louisiana woke up tomorrow with equivalent public schools to Texas, then I think within two generations the states would be much more akin.
But when your state ranks 49th in the country in education, it's kind of a "you reap what you sow" situation.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:46 am to White Goodman
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this in two pages...
Louisiana has some of the worst infrastructure in the country. Roads, bridges, water main, sewers, storm drainage, telecommunications, etc. With such a decayed infrastructure, it makes financial investment in Louisiana unappealing. Corruption, like with education, has a huge impact.
Louisiana has some of the worst infrastructure in the country. Roads, bridges, water main, sewers, storm drainage, telecommunications, etc. With such a decayed infrastructure, it makes financial investment in Louisiana unappealing. Corruption, like with education, has a huge impact.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:48 am to White Goodman
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I've lived in NC, CA, went to college in CT, and lived briefly in MA and none of those school systems compare to schools in the Austin area.
Um...what?
Massachusetts is consistently ranked in the top 5 nationally. And comparing a state to a city makes no sense.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:48 am to White Goodman
The main difference is the people. One is a culture on independence and one is a culture of dependence. That existed well before oil or even the industrial revolution. I am not trying to make a political statement here, philosophically they have different views of the role of government. Louisiana also started out with an aristocracy that did not exist in Texas, which furthered that modern philosophy.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:49 am to Dam Guide
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Check every major school ranking website. Texas is always in the 20s, high 20s in a lot of cases. Sorry to bust your bubble, but it's not ranked that way. They might have some very good schools, but so do these states.
For sure, but a family of reasonable means can find a neighborhood in any of the major cities in Texas that their kids can get a good education. It might mean living in cheesy as frick burbia or downsizing in a better school zone but its doable .
Louisiana and other southern states do not provide this beyond magnet schools.
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 10:09 am
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:54 am to White Goodman
Years of political corruption is definitely a factor. Ending the corruption and the lobbying, and promoting high tech, high skilled employers to come to this state would keep the kids that go to LSU from graduating then heading to Houston, which is a fairly large percentage.
But the most important factor is education.
1) Poor families that rely on government handouts don't typically encourage education for their children which breeds even more uneducated welfare recipients. Ergo, a very broad statement of the poor doesn't value education is somewhat accurate. There are outliers
2) These same kids, are going to failing schools. Many of these schools can't be closed for political fallout. Some of the educators in these schools are failing teachers. Due to the bureacracy, they can not be fired, and are simply pushed back to "re-education seminars" for failing teachers, where they typically waste a couple weeks playing on their phones rather than find ways to improve their teaching abilities.
3) Today's schools, especially in BR, are lorded over by 1 person, and a school board that makes decisions for all the BR schools. Yes principles have some input on their schooling, but any changes come from the bureacracy of the school board.
4) The trades are not emphasized enough. Not every person is college material. And kids need to know, you can make a damn good living by learning a trade.
These are just some things i see. How do you fix it? Well some of it can be fixed by ending teachers unions, and some education reforms that doesn't need additional funding, but just put the schooling decisions with the school, and embrace more neighborhood/local schools.
The biggest change has to come with the parents of these kids. I don't know how you force parents to care for the betterment of their children. The only way to do it, IMO, is reforming welfare. Stop enabling cradle to grave government dependency. Cap welfare and UE benefits. Hard lessons have to be learned, but no one has the political courage to do this.
But the most important factor is education.
1) Poor families that rely on government handouts don't typically encourage education for their children which breeds even more uneducated welfare recipients. Ergo, a very broad statement of the poor doesn't value education is somewhat accurate. There are outliers
2) These same kids, are going to failing schools. Many of these schools can't be closed for political fallout. Some of the educators in these schools are failing teachers. Due to the bureacracy, they can not be fired, and are simply pushed back to "re-education seminars" for failing teachers, where they typically waste a couple weeks playing on their phones rather than find ways to improve their teaching abilities.
3) Today's schools, especially in BR, are lorded over by 1 person, and a school board that makes decisions for all the BR schools. Yes principles have some input on their schooling, but any changes come from the bureacracy of the school board.
4) The trades are not emphasized enough. Not every person is college material. And kids need to know, you can make a damn good living by learning a trade.
These are just some things i see. How do you fix it? Well some of it can be fixed by ending teachers unions, and some education reforms that doesn't need additional funding, but just put the schooling decisions with the school, and embrace more neighborhood/local schools.
The biggest change has to come with the parents of these kids. I don't know how you force parents to care for the betterment of their children. The only way to do it, IMO, is reforming welfare. Stop enabling cradle to grave government dependency. Cap welfare and UE benefits. Hard lessons have to be learned, but no one has the political courage to do this.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:56 am to Dire Wolf
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Lousinana and other southern states do not provide this beyond magnet schools.
Georgia definitely can match and beat Texas in a lot of cases. Georgia has great public schools. Florida has a lot of cases of this and is usually ranked above both in rankings.
Nashville and Knoxville definitely offer that in Tennessee. Chattanooga is not one of those cities though. We do have McCallie and GPS though to make up for it.
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 9:01 am
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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population demands of politicians
Define 'demand', because there is no way all of them even vote.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:09 am to Dam Guide
When you look at Dallas, there a quite a few ISDs that are top 25 in the state (out of 1000). Plano, frisco, Allen, McKinney, Grapevine just to name a few. These ISDs are also ranked in the top 500 nationally (out of 13000). The overall quality in the state may be in the 20s but when you look at Dallas and Austin, the public school system is top notch.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:13 am to AbitaFan08
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If Louisiana woke up tomorrow with equivalent public schools to Texas
What makes good schools?
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:15 am to DCtiger1
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The overall quality in the state may be in the 20s but when you look at Dallas and Austin, the public school system is top notch.
So when you only look at the highest scoring places in the state, the results are top notch? You don't say!
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