re: Cameron on 104.5 this morning

I honestly don't care who the starter is as long as he's better than what we had last season! To say that Jennings "is who he is" after one season starting, is assinine. Harris APPEARS to have more natural ability, but I think both guys have the physical tools to be successful. The question is, how much has EITHER improved in the mental aspect of the game. If Jennings has improved and Harris hasn't, then Jennings should start. If Harris has improved and Jennings hasn't then Harris should start. I just want the most competent guy back there. I don't care WHICH of these two is the starter
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All of this. People need to stop rooting for a specific player and just want the best to play. Only the coaches know who gives them the best chance to win.

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it's quite likely that he will get better.

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Based on what?????? Come on MR.FACTS,,,,,, Break it down for me............

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Well, it's pretty simple, given Miles' history of developing QBs. Just look at this chart . . .

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we're all chart and text-wall fatigued at this point, please stop....

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. . . this chart of LSU QBs under Miles . . .

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we're all chart and text-wall fatigued at this point, please stop....

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. . . this chart that shows that LSU QBs improve under Miles . . .

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we're all chart and text-wall fatigued at this point, please stop....

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Ok. Ok. I'll make it small . . this time. For you, ForeLSU.

Do you see how Lee, Jefferson, and Mettenberger improved during their careers. You have to look hard because the chart is smaller than usual.


SEC Regular Season Games

How many times did LSU cross midfield? Once?

Jefferson was there to be a run-first quarterback, and the offense wasn't working. He was a vastly inferior passing QB to Lee. If your run game is nonexistent, and you are trying to play catch up, you need to go with the offense with far more upside.

Bringing up completion percentages on a 3.1 YPA, 52 yard passing effort, as if they are relevant in circumstances like that, only serves to obfuscate the situation. Jefferson was in there to run first, and we ran it for 1.4 YPC. Jefferson had all the downside of Lee in that he was responsible for two turnovers, but he had zero upside in that he provided no support for the run game and no balance for Alabama to worry about any aerial threat whatsoever. Sure, he was the hero of the 11/5 game, but Saban didn't have the luxury of preparing for a Jefferson-led offense in that game almost exclusively. Clearly, that same offensive style wasn't working.

You also give credit to Jefferson for comebacks against UGA and Arkansas, even though he was the quarterback for the entirety of both games and was at least partially responsible for poor offense production inin the first half.

You can harp on his mediocre stats as much possible, but it was very clear that Jefferson was a) taking no pressure off the run game through the air, b) provided no upside for any kind of big pasing play, and c) was ineffective on the ground himself. Lee may have gone 6/13 in the second half and might have thrown a pick, but we would have been more likely to score with him than Jefferson.

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So Miles can stick with a QB who is completing over 75% of his passes, or he can substitute Lee into the game.
Lee might have mixed things up. Lee might have sparked the team. However, the odds were not in Lee's favor.

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Good god in heaven - really??? You're cherry picking a JJ stat from 1/9/12 that looks good?!?!? Do you think JJ was playing well???????????

How about these stats: 44 plays, 92 yards, 5 first downs, 0 points.

Defend Miles all you want, but when you continue to do it about 1/9/12, you lose all credibility.

And as for Lee that night, well, we'll never know. Because he never got the chance. And so we went down in flames, riding JJ all the way down. Most embarrassing performance in LSU history, on the biggest stage.

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Do you see how Lee, Jefferson, and Mettenberger improved during their careers. You have to look hard because the chart is smaller than usual.

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without a confidence interval, the plot is meaningless.

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How about these stats: 44 plays, 92 yards, 5 first downs, 0 points

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FACTS....... And most LSU fans want to blame the o-line.... I will say that Bama had one of the best D's I have ever seen... And its hard to beat a team twice in the same season.... Miles made ZERO adjustments and Saban did..... BUT I think there is WAY WAY more going on the week prior about who should start against Bama.. JJ got his shot and played horrible.............

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Jefferson was there to be a run-first quarterback, and the offense wasn't working.

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In 2011, every QB in the SEC was a run-first QB to the same extent that Jefferson was a run-first QB. Lee was a run-first QB to the same extent that Jefferson was a run-first QB. Moreover, LSU's offense wasn't working against Alabama, Arkansas, and Georgia in the first half, but LSU won all three of those games.

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He was a vastly inferior passing QB to Lee.

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Completely wrong. In every regular season at LSU except 2010, Jefferson had better passing numbers than Lee.

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Jefferson was in there to run first, and we ran it for 1.4 YPC.

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Not Jefferson's fault. Moreover, Lee was not a pass first QB, and LSU had never run it better with Lee than Jefferson.

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Jefferson had all the downside of Lee in that he was responsible for two turnovers,

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Jefferson had a pick and a fumble on a sack. Lee never had a start against Alabama in which he had less than two turnovers.

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but he had zero upside in that he provided no support for the run game and no balance for Alabama to worry about any aerial threat whatsoever.

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Jefferson had better regular season passing numbers than Lee: Comp%, YPA, and QB Rating.

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You also give credit to Jefferson for comebacks against UGA and Arkansas, even though he was the quarterback for the entirety of both games and was at least partially responsible for poor offense production inin the first half.

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LSU blew out their opponents in both games.

LSU scored four offensive TDs in both games.

Jefferson threw for 208 yards against Arkansas; the second highest total of the season.

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Jefferson was taking no pressure off the run game through the air

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Throughout 2011, LSU ran the ball better when Jefferson was the QB. YOU have NO way of knowing, and NO factual support, to suggest that Lee would have done better. Coaches go with the percentages, and the percentages said stick with Jefferson.

Moreover, Lee was only effective when LSU could run the ball. Lee was efficient, but not prolific. During 2011, "efficient" is the single word that defined Lee. You'll be hard pressed to find a post about Lee without the word "efficient" just a few words away. The thing about being defined as “efficient” is that it means that you aren’t a prolific passer; you don’t throw it a lot. In fact, it typically means that the offense is run-oriented and passes infrequently. In his eight starts prior to the GOTC, Lee averaged less than 20 passes per game. Lee had only one game in 2011 in which he threw for more than 200 yards: 213 yards against Mississippi State. Lee wasn’t a prolific passer. He was efficient. (It took Lee nine regular season starts to have one game over 200 yards passing (213 against Miss State). It took Jefferson only three regular season start to have a game over 200 yards passing (208 yards against #3 Arkansas.)

Efficient does not work when you can’t run. Efficient only works when your team can run the ball effectively. Efficient means that the defense is focused on stopping the run. Efficient means that the defense is not expecting a pass. Efficient means that you have time to throw because the defense is not focused on stopping the pass. Efficient does not work when you aren’t running well. Efficient does not work when your line can’t block. Bama’s D was suffocating that night. Bama would have killed Lee. In fact, Jefferson at QB actually slowed the Bama rush down because Bama employed a mush rush to contain Jefferson, similar to what LSU used against Manziel to contain him.

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Jefferson provided no upside for any kind of big passing play

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In the 2011 regular season, Jefferson's YPA (9.34) was higher than Lee's (7.82).

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Jefferson was ineffective on the ground himself.

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Everyone was ineffective on the ground. Lee was a worse runner, and LSU ran the ball worse when Lee was QB.

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Lee may have gone 6/13 in the second half and might have thrown a pick, but we would have been more likely to score with him than Jefferson.

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In four games, Lee has had one game in which he completed 6 passes. 6/13 would be his best game against Alabama ever.
And he was unlikely to have thrown just one interception. Coaches go with the percentages. The percentages said to go with Jefferson.


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LSU had a physically limited true sophomore.

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Physically limited or mentally limited... AGAIN YOU will not address that it took till game 12 for them to try anything different... Blake Sims was a 1st year starter and ran Bamas offense[with a new OC] really really good.....

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Could have been a factor in why we ran a mundane offense.

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You are SOOO fricking blind... LSU'S offense SUCKED last year... Just admit it instead of making stupid excuses. That's ALL you ever have.. You cherry-pick what you respond to and make excuses............

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Alabama, Auburn, and Ole Miss had senior quarterbacks

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So tiresome. You're only looking at age, with no context.

Blake Sims, yes, was a senior, but he'd never taken a meaningful snap at QB before last year. And he had a brand new OC, so it was his first year in that system. So no experience and a new system, yet he somehow managed to play well.

Nick Marshall played well as a Jr and Sr at Auburn. Prior to his junior year, he'd never taken a D-I snap at QB and was in his first year under Gus's system. No experience and a new system, yet he somehow managed to play well.

Even Bo Wallace, who started 3 years at Ole Miss, had nearly identical stats each of his 3 years there. So his sophomore year at Ole Miss he played very well, with zero D-I snaps under his belt.

QBs don't have wait until their Jr or Sr year to be productive. Many do it earlier, and those that do it later often don't have any meaningful experience.

Moral of the story - talented guys can produce, regardless of experience.

Do I need to mention Manziel, Winston, and Cam Newton? Yes, I'm picking Heisman winners, but each of them hadn't taken a meaningful snap as a D-I QB before their Heisman year (Manziel and Winston had zero).