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re: Would You Use A Doctor Who Graduated From A Med School in Caribbean?
Posted on 4/17/15 at 4:36 pm to gooch11
Posted on 4/17/15 at 4:36 pm to gooch11
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If you can't get into Medical School in the US, you go to the Caribbean. If you can't get in there, you go to D.O. school. No thanks.
This is completely incorrect.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:08 pm to Hopeful Doc
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These are very far from being similar. A chiropractor who has completed a doctorate program still isn't a physician. Osteopaths are most definitely physicians in every sense of the word. For all intents and purposes, when discussing physicians, MD=DO. Most DOs go on to receive the same allopathic residency training. There are many who do go on to practice osteopathy, but the vast majority of them wind up in competition with US MDs before anyone else for residency spots.
And, lastly, chiropractory is loosely based on the teachings of osteopathy, minus the medical training. Osteopathy basically is regular allopathic medicine + physical manipulation. To not regard a DO similarly/the same as an MD who graduated from the same residency program is a farce, at best.
Also, you'll rarely find an osteopath who practices osteopathy who doesn't rave about it and explain how superior it is to allopathic/md practice.
ETA: in no way am I suggesting that all DO > Caribbean MDs. That's just the general trend I've encountered, the perception I've come to gather. Much like USMD grads, there's plenty of good and plenty of bad that come through. Board certification is probably your best bet to distinguish who you want treating you, then personality, and once you've gotten past that, consider asking where they went to school. It's not all that important.
Let me guess, you're a D.O.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:08 pm to member12
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This is completely incorrect.
It is in my experience.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:09 pm to gooch11
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Let me guess, you're a D.O.
No. I'll give you another hint: I'm not an FMG, either.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:14 pm to Hopeful Doc
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No. I'll give you another hint: I'm not an FMG, either.
Chiropractor?
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:18 pm to Hopeful Doc
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US Allopathic > US Osteopathic >
Foreign medical school (like the Caribbean)
I'd put Australian MDs (like the program with the last 2 years at Oschner) between DOs and Carribean. At least that's how we rank them for residency positions pre politics
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:20 pm to Lithium
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I'd put Australian MDs (like the program with the last 2 years at Oschner) between DOs and Carribean. At least that's how we rank them for residency positions pre politics
Well as a medical student that was accepted into both a caribbean school and the Oschner program, I say freak that noise. The Ochsner program is over a $100K more expensive.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:21 pm to Lithium
I am sure I have. Used to be due to quotas potential Jewish doctors were blackballed in med schools so went overseas.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:22 pm to gooch11
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It is in my experience.
Which I'm sure is quite extensive.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:25 pm to WeeWee
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Well as a medical student that was accepted into both a caribbean school and the Oschner program, I say freak that noise. The Ochsner program is over a $100K more expensiv
Well since I'm on Faculty and vote on who gets in the residency you either better make a 260+ on the step score or know somebody unless youre doing IM,FP, or Peds
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:29 pm to Lithium
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Well since I'm on Faculty and vote on who gets in the residency you either better make a 260+ on the step score or know somebody unless youre doing IM,FP, or Peds
IM is my first choice right now. I know I do not have the coordination or the desire to be a surgeon.
ETA: I know some ppl that are high up at UMMC in Jackson.
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:34 pm to SirSaintly
Why not? I haven't been impressed with doctors anywhere I have been. Half the time I walk in, tell them what's wrong, they ask me what I've taken for it in the past, write a script and give me a bill for $200.00
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:41 pm to Lithium
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know somebody
that's always the equalizer
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:50 pm to Lithium
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I'd put Australian MDs (like the program with the last 2 years at Oschner) between DOs and Carribean.
This is an actual stratification question, not a rhetorical one:
1) Do you consider Americans from the Aus/Ochsner program above Americans from the Caribbean above foreigners in the Caribbean?
2) And are there many actual Australians in the program? Are they +/- from the U.S. Kids going through there?
3) And where do Europeans from European med schools fall in your generalized, non-applicant dependent stratification (IE, do you look at the France/Greece/etc applications, or does someone throw away the sub-240(?) ones before they hit your desk?)
4) it seems as if Indian med grads are "a step below" the Europeans...? May just have been my experience doing some of my medicine rotations in Lafayette, and doing competitive subspecialties with a handful of Europeans.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:53 pm to WeeWee
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ETA: I know some ppl that are high up at UMMC in Jackson.
Great place to do IM. Good facilities, good group of residents (they seem like a big team/family), middleish sized program, If you're considering subspecialty beyond that, it's especially good- they basically have them all and love to hold on to their own.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 6:01 pm to Hopeful Doc
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Great place to do IM. Good facilities, good group of residents (they seem like a big team/family), middleish sized program, If you're considering subspecialty beyond that, it's especially good- they basically have them all and love to hold on to their own.
One of the docs that I know from UMMC were actually the ones who convinced me to go on to AUC and not wait to reapply to LSU or the DO schools that I was waitlisted at. I chose not to go to Australia because I don't want to be a surgeon, it was too expensive (I already had almost $50K in grad school and undergrad loans so I didn't want the extra $100K for that program), and the ppl at UMMC said that if my Step 1 & Step 2 scores are competitve I would be considered for any residency that I wanted there.
ETA: Supper and TD break is over. Time to get back to studying, I got 3 finals on monday .
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 4/17/15 at 6:15 pm to WeeWee
Caribbean route is a great option in a number of cases. Yours sounds like one of them (especially being at American). The real bad rep comes from the "you'll let me into med school without taking the MCAT?" And actual Un-worthy of MD people who go despite being told it isn't a good route.
I met one guy while I was doing rotations. I forget which school he was from. He failed Step 1. Passed within 5 points of failing on his second try. Passed CK with the lowest possible passing score (which would have been failing 6 months after he took it). Failed CS on his first attempt. He had also failed whatever the most number of classes they would allow him to fail before kicking him off the island. Without a miraculous turn of circumstances where he either saves a PD's life or gets one's daughter pregnant, he'll probably never practice medicine. He was given one interview at a program he was working at during interview season. That was all. And it was a formality at that point (I checked. He didn't match in that program). Going to an island school when he couldn't get into a US one was definitely a bad choice in retrospect. My guess, after working with him, is that anyone who advised him in the first place probably told him not to go that route anyway. But letting people in that do that, and it's not necessarily uncommon, kills the reputation in a lot of people's minds. I've met enough Caribbean folks that were good docs to know that they're out there, though. Don't let idiotic perspective on a message board mess with you.
ETA: good luck. And remember that the knee bone is connected to the shin bone.
I met one guy while I was doing rotations. I forget which school he was from. He failed Step 1. Passed within 5 points of failing on his second try. Passed CK with the lowest possible passing score (which would have been failing 6 months after he took it). Failed CS on his first attempt. He had also failed whatever the most number of classes they would allow him to fail before kicking him off the island. Without a miraculous turn of circumstances where he either saves a PD's life or gets one's daughter pregnant, he'll probably never practice medicine. He was given one interview at a program he was working at during interview season. That was all. And it was a formality at that point (I checked. He didn't match in that program). Going to an island school when he couldn't get into a US one was definitely a bad choice in retrospect. My guess, after working with him, is that anyone who advised him in the first place probably told him not to go that route anyway. But letting people in that do that, and it's not necessarily uncommon, kills the reputation in a lot of people's minds. I've met enough Caribbean folks that were good docs to know that they're out there, though. Don't let idiotic perspective on a message board mess with you.
ETA: good luck. And remember that the knee bone is connected to the shin bone.
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 4/17/15 at 6:31 pm to SirSaintly
You do realize that to practice medicine in the US they need to pass a pretty rigorous testing.
And they probably did their residence in the US anyway.
I'm not going to judge a doctor because his undergrad GPA was a little low.
And they probably did their residence in the US anyway.
I'm not going to judge a doctor because his undergrad GPA was a little low.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 6:33 pm to SirSaintly
Do 99% of people know where the professionals they deal with graduated from? And all professionals will tell you they know people from all schools to avoid and to use. School IRL makes no difference.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 6:37 pm to SirSaintly
I did for an oral surgery. Guy was a champ (was asian)
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