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re: Need an explanation on homosexuality

Posted on 12/16/14 at 8:37 am to
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 8:37 am to
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Maybe I misunderstood him but I think he was arguing for what I argue for. Namely, that the government shouldn't be in the marriage business at all. If the government wants to have some sort of partnership certificate or whatever, so bet it(although I'm against that too) but marriage should be a private affair for BOTH straights and gays. Hence, no "separate but equal".

And yes, I know.....but what about benefits blah blah blah. ALL very easily handled.
A marriage is a contract, it involves legal obligations between two people, and it grants certain legal rights to the two people within the contract. It makes sense for the government to be involved.

I don't understand what is gained by your suggestion. You just want the government to use a different name for marriage? Why even bother?
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 8:39 am to
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Gays are the major contributor to HIV in the USA.
So what?
Posted by bamarep
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 8:40 am to
Not reading all 25 pages, but here's one question that none of the bone smugglers can answer:

If it's so "natural" why aren't cows, dogs, cats, birds, deer, and all other species fricking each other in the bum?
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 8:44 am to
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A marriage is a contract, it involves legal obligations between two people
I'm not a lawyer, so maybe I'm missing something here, but what is the general role of Federal Government in contracts between individuals?
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 8:46 am to
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Not reading all 25 pages, but here's one question that none of the bone smugglers can answer:

If it's so "natural" why aren't cows, dogs, cats, birds, deer, and all other species fricking each other in the bum?
Easy answer: they are. At least 450 species have been observed displaying homosexual behavior.

Yale Scientific - Do Animals Exhibit Homosexuality?

Wikipedia - List of Animals Displaying Homosexual Behavior





This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 8:48 am
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 8:49 am to
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I'm not a lawyer, so maybe I'm missing something here, but what is the general role of Federal Government in contracts between individuals?
Not sure about you, but when I got married, the state government issued our marriage certificate.
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 8:49 am
Posted by Vegas Bengal
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 8:52 am to
You say anal sex is 18 times riskier than vaginal sex then in the next few lines you say bisexual men are giving it to women who are gi king it to men. Which vaginal sex is 18 times less risky? Man to woman of woman to man? How many men have you ever heard got hiv from a woman? It's possible but unlikely. Esp if you're circumcised.

So you're say African counties have death to the gays as a means of fighting hiv. If you really believe that you're a bigger fool than I thought you were and I've always thought you a fool.

Know a way to stop the spread of HIV? Condoms and PReP. 99.99% effective. You have a better chance of getting pregnant (since you seem to be a count.

Look I think you're immoral and if there's a Hell you better pack sunscreen. The likes of you make me ashamed to be human. But I ignore your kind. I stay away from Walmarts and tractor pulls. I don't eat at buffets and I don't know any "you know you're a redneck if" jokes.

So I let you live your putrid life. Why is it important for you to stick your nose in mind. Unless of course you have a fascination with gays
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 8:54 am to
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Know a way to stop the spread of HIV? Condoms and PReP. 99.99% effective.
Yep.

Did you know straight Americans are the #1 contributor to unwanted teenage pregnancies, and abortions? OMG!!!
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 8:55 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:01 am to
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Not sure about you, but when I got married, the state government issued our marriage certificate.
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A marriage is a contract, it involves legal obligations between two people
You noted marriage is a contract. My question related to the Government's role in contracts between two people.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:02 am to
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You have a better chance of getting pregnant (since you seem to be a count.
Posted by bamarep
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:07 am to


Some of you guys are trying way too hard to justify immorality.
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:11 am to
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I'm not a lawyer, so maybe I'm missing something here, but what is the general role of Federal Government in contracts between individuals?
You said "federal government". States handle marriages.

I'm not a lawyer either, so I don't know what kind of answer you expect from me. Figure it out yourself, I guess.
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:12 am to
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Some of you guys are trying way too hard to justify immorality.
Gonna eat crow on your "there are no gay animals" post?
Posted by Lg
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:19 am to
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"there are no gay animals"


Do you think "other animals" know they are gay? Or maybe, they are just responding to sexual urges.
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:23 am to
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Do you think "other animals" know they are gay?
I am doubtful that animals have self-awareness.

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Or maybe, they are just responding to sexual urges.
That's what I do when I frick my wife.
Posted by BayouBlitz
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:26 am to
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If it's so "natural" why aren't cows, dogs, cats, birds, deer, and all other species fricking each other in the bum?




It must suck to realize you're an idiot.

Posted by PiscesTiger
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:28 am to
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:30 am to
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Gays are the major contributor to HIV in the USA.


Never claimed otherwise, but Im not sure how that is a reflection of its morality. If all gay men practiced safe sex, the rate of HIV transmission would approach that of the gen pop. And this is also ignoring lesbian sex, in which the transmission rates are virtually nonexistent.

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Second, why are you concerned with African countries?


Because I'm a doctor, have been involved in HIV research and it interests me.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:35 am to
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And yet you still don't understand it. I guess I would have given up too, if I had read something over and over again and had no understanding of it. How true this Book is.


I understand all the arguments for it and the subtleties that Christians apparently believe only they are privy to. I actually believed all of them for most of my life.

Not believing in something isn't equivalent to not understanding it. I know that the majority of Nonbelievers misrepresent the Bible out of ignorance, but that isn't a defense of the Bible. It is an argument against blindly spouting off angry atheist talking points.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:36 am to
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I'm not a lawyer either
Ah, that explains the meandering terminology.

What is not clear to me is why in states which don't formally recognize Gay Marriage do Gay Friendly Churches not put marriage programs together -- Legally and Ceremonially.
At conclusion of the ceremony the couple would sign contractual papers collected together in a packet, and including basics like Health Care Proxies, a Durable Power of Attorney, a Joint Tenancy Agreement, a Cohabitation Agreement, etc., even perhaps a Will. The state wouldn't even have a say.
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