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re: Microsoft set to unveil Windows 9 on September 30th
Posted on 8/21/14 at 1:13 pm to Cs
Posted on 8/21/14 at 1:13 pm to Cs
I installed Start8 to get my Start Menu fix. Once that was taken care of, Windows 8.1 was literally just a better version of 7. I have faith that Windows 9 is going to be a good one.
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Posted on 8/21/14 at 1:15 pm to Murtagh
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I'm right there with you. I love Windows 8.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 5:07 pm to DoUrden
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Hopefully this will be a good version given their history.
ME - Crap
XP - Good
Vista - Crap
7 - Good
8 - Crap
8 is fantastic. Some simple things from 7 were a little "hidden" in 8. I wasn't thrilled about the nerfing of the "Play To" feature (a real highlight of 7). And some settings got bumped and moved around. I would actually really like to see the "control panel" take back its XP appearance, but that's a Vista-and-later complaint not tied to 8. The lack of non-Microsoft manufactured Media Extenders is annoying. But overall, they did a great job. The UI overhaul wasn't necessarily due or necessary. The lack of changing it natively is a little unnerving, but the OS itself runs very light and fast. One last thing I was sad to see go as a consequence of freeing up hardware requirements was Windows Aero.
All in all, it's a good OS worthy of a renaming for differences from previous versions as opposed to the company's attempt to run away from the previous OS.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 5:11 pm to TigerFanatic99
quote:Never met a person yet that liked 8
ME - Crap
XP - Good
Vista - Crap
7 - Good
8 - Good
Posted on 8/21/14 at 5:12 pm to tigerpawl
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Never met a person yet that liked 8
Hi, I'm Hopeful Doc. What's your name?
Posted on 8/21/14 at 5:16 pm to tigerpawl
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Never met a person yet that liked 8
Sounds like a personal problem.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 5:27 pm to Hopeful Doc
As a long-time holdout, here's my take on 8.1 vs 7.
The only really compelling feature of Windows 8 vs 7 for me is that BitLocker now supports pre-boot authentication with a password, which removed my last obstacle to moving out of TrueCrypt, which I had wanted to do for some time due to it blocking TRIM and VSS on non-system volumes. The TrueCrypt discontinuation notice was the last straw that motivated me to move to Windows 8.1.
I pin a ton of programs to the taskbar in three rows, so the loss of the Start Menu never bothered me as I used it so rarely. (Tip: You can pin Control Panel to the taskbar and pin its applets to its jump menu, so you will no longer miss having Control Panel open as a menu in the Start Menu.) The stupid "Charms" and whatnot can be disabled on the desktop except for dragging the mouse from the bottom right corner; that gesture seems to be written in stone.
I like the Windows 8 desktop UI better, as Aero had become very tired, especially the transparency, which weirdly lives on in 8's taskbar, but I use DisplayFusion to get an opaque taskbar among other things. With Aero gone, I can also now watch WMC video in a window on my desktop without it stuttering, whereas before I'd always have to use my Autohotkey hotkeys to turn Aero off and back on to get clean playback for those times I wanted to browse the web and watch TV.
The Task Manager is finally a worthy day-to-day replacement for Sysinternals Process Explorer.
There's not a whole lot else I find that makes a real difference in Windows 8. It does boot faster, but I don't boot often anyway as I use sleep. If I count the time for my start-up programs to initialize once I get to the desktop, the difference becomes a lot less. And with my SSD, it was about 12 seconds to get to the desktop on Windows 7 anyway, so cutting that in half, if that, doesn't matter much for something I do maybe once a week on average.
The only really compelling feature of Windows 8 vs 7 for me is that BitLocker now supports pre-boot authentication with a password, which removed my last obstacle to moving out of TrueCrypt, which I had wanted to do for some time due to it blocking TRIM and VSS on non-system volumes. The TrueCrypt discontinuation notice was the last straw that motivated me to move to Windows 8.1.
I pin a ton of programs to the taskbar in three rows, so the loss of the Start Menu never bothered me as I used it so rarely. (Tip: You can pin Control Panel to the taskbar and pin its applets to its jump menu, so you will no longer miss having Control Panel open as a menu in the Start Menu.) The stupid "Charms" and whatnot can be disabled on the desktop except for dragging the mouse from the bottom right corner; that gesture seems to be written in stone.
I like the Windows 8 desktop UI better, as Aero had become very tired, especially the transparency, which weirdly lives on in 8's taskbar, but I use DisplayFusion to get an opaque taskbar among other things. With Aero gone, I can also now watch WMC video in a window on my desktop without it stuttering, whereas before I'd always have to use my Autohotkey hotkeys to turn Aero off and back on to get clean playback for those times I wanted to browse the web and watch TV.
The Task Manager is finally a worthy day-to-day replacement for Sysinternals Process Explorer.
There's not a whole lot else I find that makes a real difference in Windows 8. It does boot faster, but I don't boot often anyway as I use sleep. If I count the time for my start-up programs to initialize once I get to the desktop, the difference becomes a lot less. And with my SSD, it was about 12 seconds to get to the desktop on Windows 7 anyway, so cutting that in half, if that, doesn't matter much for something I do maybe once a week on average.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 5:41 pm to tigerpawl
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Never met a person yet that liked 8
I like 8
Posted on 8/21/14 at 5:49 pm to tigerpawl
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Never met a person yet that liked 8
Have you ignored pretty much the whole thread?
Posted on 8/21/14 at 6:10 pm to Dijkstra
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Have you ignored pretty much the whole thread?
He's never met anyone in this thread
Posted on 8/21/14 at 7:40 pm to VetteGuy
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Enterprise customers have flatly rejected 8, for the most part.
For the most part they don't use touch screens.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 8:15 pm to foshizzle
quote:Most global non-tech companies are years in the past due to testing, testing, more testing and more testing. Whatever people use for their personal preference is one thing, but most major corporations will never Windows 8.
For the most part they don't use touch screens.
I could imagine the catastrophe of rolling out Windows 8 to a global company. 80% of user production would immediately halt.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 9:26 pm to DoUrden
So many Microsoft apologists in this thread. I want to go out on a limb and say less than 50% of Windows 8 users actually prefer it over Windows 7. If Windows 8 was in fact good, MS would not be backtracking with Windows 9. If an operating system needs training or a user manual for people to know how to use it, it has failed. No wonder nobody in Enterprise wants to use it. Apple got it right when they decided to keep OSX and iOS separate. You have to give MS credit for thinking outside the box, but there is no way one UI can serve desktop and tablet and smartphones at the same time, just because of the different ways we interact with these devices.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 9:45 pm to hikingfan
quote:A reason Linux is used mostly on the back-end. Webservers, storage, etc.
If an operating system needs training or a user manual for people to know how to use it, it has failed.
quote:Apple has very little to do with enterprise environments.
No wonder nobody in Enterprise wants to use it. Apple got it right when they decided to keep OSX and iOS separate.
quote:Spot on.
there is no way one UI can serve desktop and tablet and smartphones at the same time, just because of the different ways we interact with these devices.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 3:10 am to drizztiger
You combined the wrong sentences. Here is how those sentences you quoted from my post should have read:
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If an operating system needs training or a user manual for people to know how to use it, it has failed. No wonder nobody in Enterprise wants to use it.
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Apple got it right when they decided to keep OSX and iOS separate. You have to give MS credit for thinking outside the box, but there is no way one UI can serve desktop and tablet and smartphones at the same time, just because of the different ways we interact with these devices.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 5:26 am to TigerGman
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And all the Sheep rejoice
Posted from my iPhone 5s.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 7:43 am to gatorrocks
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Posted from my iPhone 5s.
That's right. Hilarious how all you Windows guys call iPhone users sheep, when you all flock to Windows like the biggest flock of sheep ever...
Posted on 8/22/14 at 8:07 am to TigerGman
Calm down, Tim.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 8:38 am to TigerGman
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Hilarious how all you Windows guys call iPhone users sheep, when you all flock to Windows like the biggest flock of sheep ever...
So, so backwards. Posted on 8/22/14 at 8:41 am to AlxTgr
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So, so backwards.
Look to your left, look to your right. Look ahead of you and behind you.
Tell me you're not in a flock of sheep too scared by the Microsoft stranglehold to try something different.
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