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re: IRS agrees to enforce tax law against churches involved in political activity
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:13 pm to the808bass
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:13 pm to the808bass
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the808bass
Ok so lets check credentials for a moment...
I have been on staff and boards of Churches and other non-profit organizations for over 35 years serving in Administrative and Financial capacities...
I am also an accounting/finance professional for that same period of time...
I can assure you your understanding of what Churches and/or "tax exempt" organizations pay in taxes is flawed....
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Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:16 pm to klrstix
I can assure you churches are exempt from property tax. I can assure you church employees are a special category for the IRS precisely because of withholding issues. I can assure you that tax exempt letters can be used to exempt a non-profit from sales tax. Whatever your creds are, you were wrong on all those issues.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:22 pm to Jon Ham
If this pans out as completely true and they campaigned and forced people to vote for a political candidate, then that is an unacceptable violation of the church and state. Hold their feet to the fire. You can't have it both ways.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:23 pm to the808bass
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I can assure you church employees are a special category for the IRS precisely because of withholding issues.
On this point...
Some Minister can opt out of paying Both their federal and Fica taxes....
However they have to be ordained ministers and they have to file for this and receive approval from the IRS..
Other non-ordained Church staff are not exempt in any way..
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:28 pm to klrstix
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Other non-ordained Church staff are not exempt in any way..
Even non-ordained church staff are considered self-employed. They must pay their own FICA. So you got a little warmer.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:29 pm to asurob1
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Good to see, I look forward to the day when we require these God inc. places to actually all pay taxes like the rest of us.
Are you serious?
What you are talking about is a clear violation of religious freedom, separation of church and state, and the first amendment.
You do not want to go down this road of taking tax exempt status away from churches. If the gov't attempts to tax a religious based organization/church when they are clearly a charitable organization and do not engage in politics, that is an unacceptable violation of the separation of church and state. Period. Tax exempt status for churches not only protects them from gov't interference but it also protects us from them with regards to unecessary religious influence in areas they shouldn't be in. That's simply freedom of religion and freedom from religion.
If the church sheds tax exempt status, they basically have carte blanche to influence politics and have an even bigger influence on domestic policy than they do now. frick that. I'm fine with the status quo.
Anyone seriously advocating for taxation of churches is shortsighted and speaking out of hatred for religion.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:30 pm to klrstix
If this had been in effect in the 60's there would have been no civil rights movement.
This is a horrible thing. They will selectively enforce this and we all know it. Rev. Wright's so called church should be their first stop and all these new "Freethinking" atheist groups should be right behind.
This is a horrible thing. They will selectively enforce this and we all know it. Rev. Wright's so called church should be their first stop and all these new "Freethinking" atheist groups should be right behind.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i will bet 10 SFP bucks that this isn't enforced against black churches
Sadly, you would be correct. It's a problem that's pretty well hidden in plain sight.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:33 pm to Sentrius
quote:Bingo, but some people's disdain for religion blinds them to the fact that, oh say the Catholic Church could unleash serious coin on the political landscape.
If the church sheds tax exempt status, they basically have carte blanche to influence politics and have an even bigger influence on domestic policy than they do now. frick that. I'm fine with the status quo.
The very organizations they want out of politics and hammered will rush in with a lot of money.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:37 pm to Sentrius
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If the church sheds tax exempt status, they basically have carte blanche to influence politics and have an even bigger influence on domestic policy than they do now. frick that. I'm fine with the status quo.
Just like any other non-tax exempt organization.
As much as I don't like a few of the extreme religionists - the average Church is far more moral and a far better influence on our politics than the corrupt POS that run our nations largest corporations.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:43 pm to Sentrius
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Anyone seriously advocating for taxation of churches is shortsighted and speaking out of hatred for religion.
I guess I am short sighted, If they can't keep their nose out of politics I want them taxed. Their are a lot of issues that I feel rightly or not, can be laid at the churches doorstep. The maddest I ever got in church is when our pastor got up there and told everybody how they should vote.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:45 pm to bencoleman
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The maddest I ever got in church is when our pastor got up there and told everybody how they should vote.
Specifically, what did he say?
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:49 pm to the808bass
He was telling people how to vote on a bunch of amendments that were on the ballot. This was roughly two years ago about the time I cut the church loose.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:54 pm to Jon Ham
quote:The IRS hates Black Christians.
IRS agrees to enforce tax law against churches involved in political activity
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:55 pm to Sentrius
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If the church sheds tax exempt status, they basically have carte blanche to influence politics and have an even bigger influence on domestic policy than they do now. frick that. I'm fine with the status quo.
We both know they already do this and a lot of the push back at churches is because they have held too much sway over American politics. Hell people on this board freak out because the president doesn't attend chuch enough...(or call him a muslim).
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Anyone seriously advocating for taxation of churches is shortsighted and speaking out of hatred for religion.
bullshite. They are profit centers designed to fleece the lemmings. Hell L. Ron Hubbard recognized this in the 50s and started his own religion and got very very rich.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 3:05 pm to asurob1
Why don't you just go hangout on DU? It's obviously the place for you.
LC
LC
Posted on 7/20/14 at 3:18 pm to LongueCarabine
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Why don't you just go hangout on DU? It's obviously the place for you.
LC
And miss out on all the circle jerks here...I think not.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 3:18 pm to the808bass
quote:Obviously varies from state to state as link I listed above, Mississippi does not exempt Churches from sales tax.
ETA... Sales Tax exemptions only apply to items purchased that will be used for resale..
This is incorrect.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 3:22 pm to asurob1
Pivot man.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 3:24 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:this
As much as I don't like a few of the extreme religionists - the average Church is far more moral and a far better influence on our politics than the corrupt POS that run our nations largest corporations.
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