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re: The move to legalize same-sex marriage in La. commences TODAY
Posted on 2/12/14 at 12:03 pm to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 2/12/14 at 12:03 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Well, societal norms in "stable" civilizations throughout history have included slavery, torture, no women's suffrage, acceptance of rape, arranged marriages, child marriages, and dictators revered as deities.
Among other things you've obviously ignored. Need more straw?
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Posted on 2/12/14 at 12:04 pm to theunknownknight
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Did you just ask that? Considering children form the very society and culture for tomorrow?
Again, you are very defensive and assumed my comment had a connotation which lowered the importance of children in our society.
It was a simple question. And I responded asking for more info.
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That's the only one that matters.
That is hilariously untrue. While it might be important, there are lots of things that matter.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 12:05 pm to theunknownknight
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Among other things you've obviously ignored. Need more straw?
I simply listed things once thought of as societal norms in historically stable civilizations that eventually were realized to be inherently wrong and were changed.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 12:08 pm to TheCaterpillar
You know what? I actually enjoy these conversations when people can have them in a civil, calm manner.
You are obviously too worked up to do this right now. I am out of here.
Good luck everyone.
You are obviously too worked up to do this right now. I am out of here.
Good luck everyone.
This post was edited on 2/12/14 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 2/12/14 at 12:10 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Again, you are very defensive and assumed my comment had a connotation which lowered the importance of children in our society.
You are projecting. You seem close to melting down and I'm not sure why.
The only "evidence" I have are your posts. But based on that it seems you are having a hard time swallowing the irony of a Christian using peer reviewed scientific data to refute an opinion being held almost religiously by the resident atheists on this board.
This post was edited on 2/12/14 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 2/12/14 at 12:13 pm to theunknownknight
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But based on that it seems you are having a hard time swallowing the irony of a Christian using peer reviewed scientific data to refute an opinion being held almost religiously by the resident atheists on this board.
nothing you have posted has refuted anyone's opinion that gays should be allowed to be married
Posted on 2/12/14 at 12:15 pm to TheCaterpillar
Just an aside, as I haven't read the entire thread:
I find the "changing definition" argument against same-sex marriage absolutely comical. Anyone who makes this argument is demonstrating their lack of understanding of language... any language that has common usage has words that constantly change definitions. If definitions are stagnant, then the language is dead.
I find the "changing definition" argument against same-sex marriage absolutely comical. Anyone who makes this argument is demonstrating their lack of understanding of language... any language that has common usage has words that constantly change definitions. If definitions are stagnant, then the language is dead.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 12:26 pm to baytiger
Also, back to the real issue here: Same sex couples who have been married in states like California or New York but reside in Louisiana will be forced to either lie to the federal government or break state law when filing their taxes.
This lawsuit needed to happen.
This lawsuit needed to happen.
This post was edited on 2/12/14 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 2/12/14 at 12:31 pm to theunknownknight
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You are projecting. You seem close to melting down and I'm not sure why.
The only "evidence" I have are your posts. But based on that it seems you are having a hard time swallowing the irony of a Christian using peer reviewed scientific data to refute an opinion being held almost religiously by the resident atheists on this board.
Not melting.
Not an atheist.
Not bringing up religion at all actually.
I am trying to use logic. I am trying to find a logical reason to not allow gays to marry. I can't find one.
Its like finding a logical reason to ban marijuana. There really is none.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 12:35 pm to Jwodie
Can't win at the ballot box. Go to court.
Way to work for "tolerance."
Way to work for "tolerance."
Posted on 2/12/14 at 12:55 pm to udtiger
quote:it's almost like the founding fathers intended government to work that way
Can't win at the ballot box. Go to court.
quote:John Adams
If a majority are capable of preferring their own private interest, or that of their families, counties, and party, to that of the nation collectively, some provision must be made in the constitution, in favor of justice, to compel all to respect the common right, the public good, the universal law, in preference to all private and partial considerations...
Posted on 2/12/14 at 12:56 pm to TheCaterpillar
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I believe these children will be right along the lines of the national average, BUT no one can know this because there hasn't been enough history/sample around it. Its all purely conjecture and opinion.
I don't have a horse in the argument that you guys are having, and nor do I want one.
I have a question, and this is not a gay marriage question because the same applies to single heterosexual parents. Do you really think that kids are not better off with a dad and a mom? There are things that you need in your development from your mom and things you need from your dad. I think it's really sad and a shame that our society has diminished the importance of this.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 1:09 pm to theunknownknight
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But based on that it seems you are having a hard time swallowing the irony of a Christian using peer reviewed scientific data to refute an opinion being held almost religiously by the resident atheists on this board.
And I posted rebutals to this paper pages ago...did you miss those?
When reviewed by peers, it was eviscerated. But, kudos to him for having at least submitted it for peer review, unlike his counterparts in the ID community who would rather post blog articles on their subject matter than go before the scientific body with their crackpot notions.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 1:13 pm to The First Cut
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I have a question, and this is not a gay marriage question because the same applies to single heterosexual parents. Do you really think that kids are not better off with a dad and a mom? There are things that you need in your development from your mom and things you need from your dad. I think it's really sad and a shame that our society has diminished the importance of this.
A. Parents are awful in this country as it is.
B. Obviously gay couples can't have children biologically. This means they would adopt children who do not have a home or biological parents that want them. Are you saying kids would be better off in group homes and foster care than with a gay couple?
Posted on 2/12/14 at 1:15 pm to The First Cut
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Do you really think that kids are not better off with a dad and a mom? There are things that you need in your development from your mom and things you need from your dad. I think it's really sad and a shame that our society has diminished the importance of this.
I don't think it is as important as you want to believe
I believe stability, love, time, commitment, etc are much more important
Posted on 2/12/14 at 1:15 pm to The First Cut
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Do you really think that kids are not better off with a dad and a mom?
They probably are. And?
Do we not allow single men and women to currently adopt children?
Some of you guys act as if granting homosexuals the right to be married is going to lead to a slippery slope that ends with them being given keys to everyone's homes whereby they can go in at night and steal children from good, God-fearing heterosexual couples. Are we not talking about kids being adopted...who would otherwise be in shitty foster care or orphanages hoping to be adopted?
Are you suggesting they'd be better off in the system than with a gay couple who actually WANTS them?
Posted on 2/12/14 at 1:15 pm to TheCaterpillar
You are twisting my question. I do not want to make this about gays. I believe in the importance of a father and the importance of a mother. You said all of that was conjecture. Do you really think that? Do you think that you are not that important as a father?
Posted on 2/12/14 at 1:17 pm to udtiger
If the 14th amendment covers what courts now say it does why did we even have to have the 15th and 19th amendments or try and pass the ERA ( including extending time for ratification).
It seems like the courts could have just applied the 14th amendment to all 3 situations back then.
Maybe Fed govt just likes creating rights which it then gets to use to bypass the 10th amendment enforcing these rights over states in areas that were set up for power remain in States or with the People.
It seems like the courts could have just applied the 14th amendment to all 3 situations back then.
Maybe Fed govt just likes creating rights which it then gets to use to bypass the 10th amendment enforcing these rights over states in areas that were set up for power remain in States or with the People.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 1:19 pm to dallastigers
14th amendment has been completely bastardized.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 1:26 pm to The First Cut
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You are twisting my question. I do not want to make this about gays. I believe in the importance of a father and the importance of a mother. You said all of that was conjecture. Do you really think that? Do you think that you are not that important as a father?
Was this directed at me?
Yes I think there is something great about having a good mother and a good father. Kids definitely take things from both parents.
However, I also believe that same sex couples can raise great children. I think the most important thing about parenting is love, nurturing, and setting a good example for your kids. Kids take different things from both parents in this situation as well. Its not like having two lesbian moms means you won't learn how to be a man. Its not like would be sheltered in a lesbian household and not allowed to be exposed to the outside world full of men.
And what I meant by my previous post was that these kids that would be adopted by same-sex couples would definitely be better off than in a group home or foster care.
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