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SammyTiger
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Israel would bomb the shite out of that region before they went down.

ETA: with their nukes.


It would be disastrous for ISrael, it would be like bombing your backyard, your house is gonna get hit.






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Think for a moment what you are saying, just because somebody has nuclear bombs, does not mean that we have to support them, do we support NORTH KOREA?





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I understand that it would be terrible but it's what would happen.





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Think for a moment what you are saying, just because somebody has nuclear bombs, does not mean that we have to support them, do we support NORTH KOREA?


1. North Korea doesn't have them and we are actively trying to keep them form getting them. NOr is NOrth Korea stable, which is why we don't wan them having nukes.
2. It is worth the money to make sure that countries int eh middle east with Nukes are stable enough to keep them from falling into the hands of terrorist organizations and regimes friendly to terrorist organizations.






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No, CT pointed out we would be safer if we ended our "queer" relationship with Israel. I said if we wanted to be safer we could ditch Israel, convert, and give in to every other demand the terrorists have

You're not that obtuse. It's not an all or nothing proposition. China doesn't make their women wear burkas but they aren't being attacked by "Islamic Jihadists". We don't need Arabs/Muslims to like us, we just need them to not hate us. If someone just dislikes you, they might mutter bad words about you, but if they hate you, they might travel across an ocean to try and kill you. Here's how Osama bin Laden put it in his own words:

"If Bush says we hate freedom, let him tell us why we didn't attack Sweden, for example."

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You're just as naive if you think Israel is the only reason they attacked us.

When did I ever say that Israel is the only cause of blowback?
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Arabs care so much about Palestinians they don't want any of them in their countries.

And White Christians cared so much about Jews that didn't want them in their countries (see S.S. St. Louis) and some of those White Christians even tried to exterminate them.

EDIT: You seem to think that Osama bin Laden was sitting in his cave one day minding his own business when someone showed him the Bill of Rights which caused him to flip out and decide that he needed to kill Americans.



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love for israel is not in our national self-interest.


actually for strategic it is






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"If Bush says we hate freedom, let him tell us why we didn't attack Sweden, for example."
For the same reason art thieves don't target a poster store; the money is elsewhere. Of course the stakes are higher too.














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actually for strategic it is


Israel has no strategic value for the US. And while you can say it has, you can't explain what that strategic value is.

A giant uselss unsinkable aircraft carrier we can never use?

A money pit that sucks us dry and involves us in its crimes?

A shite hole that alienates most of the rest of the world against us?

What is the strategic value of israel? Disinformation that gets us sucked into wars that benefit israel? More spies in the US than the rest of the world combined? A country that can use the billions they get form us to buy our Congress?







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SammyTiger
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You're not that obtuse. It's not an all or nothing proposition. China doesn't make their women wear burkas but they aren't being attacked by "Islamic Jihadists". We don't need Arabs/Muslims to like us, we just need them to not hate us. If someone just dislikes you, they might mutter bad words about you, but if they hate you, they might travel across an ocean to try and kill you. Here's how Osama bin Laden put it in his own words:


I don't think Terrorist leaders are one issue voters so to speak, but you can't say that they aren't using issues to rile up ignorant people.
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When did I ever say that Israel is the only cause of blowback?


You didn't, but i felt obligated to state that.
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And White Christians cared so much about Jews that didn't want them in their countries (see S.S. St. Louis) and some of those White Christians even tried to exterminate them.



But the USA, Russia and england didn't use the Jews as an excuse to hate the Nazis.







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But the USA, Russia and england didn't use the Jews as an excuse to hate the Nazis.

I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. In Western socieities Hitler is considered the evilist man that ever lived, and Nazis are considered worse than the KKK. And the U.S., Russia and the U.K. were so overcome by Holocaust guilt that they had no compunction about victimizing the Palestinians.






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I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. In Western socieities Hitler is considered the evilist man that ever lived, and Nazis are considered worse than the KKK. And the U.S., Russia and the U.K. were so overcome by Holocaust guilt that they had no compunction about victimizing the Palestinians.



The other arab countries barely care about the palestinians more than the USa cared about the Jews. THe USA didn't go to war because of the jews, neither did the USSr or the great britain, and the terrorist don't hate us because we support Israel. i mean they don't like us for it, but ditching them wouldn't help.






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but ditching them wouldn't help.

bullshite! No intellectually honest person believes that America's blind support for Israel doesn't cause any blowback, nor do they believe that the 9/11 terrorists' beef was with the Bill of Rights.






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SammyTiger
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bullshite! No intellectually honest person believes that America's blind support for Israel doesn't cause any blowback, nor do they believe that the 9/11 terrorists' beef was with the Bill of Rights.


They are still going to hate us for being involved in the Middle east, we are going to stay involved in the middle east because there is oil there, and we like oil. They are going to keep using our western culture to vilify us to the masses.

We spent the last 50 years propping up pro west dictators and now it is coming back to blow up in our face. Israel is just one thing, but if we didn't support Israel 9/11 would have happened. You're an idiot if you think otherwise.






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What's even more annoying is conservatives feeling sorry for Israel when they're such a parasite that leeches off of the U.S.


Or pretend like its the 51st state.

I'm not a liberal at all. I would never support a family member of mine going off to die in some M.E. conflict that is about Israel, Israeli security, and AIPAC's influence in this country.

If you want to know why both sides of our political class show nothing but unyielding support of Israel, follow the $. It has nothing to do with the Bible. That's just how they sell it to the hayseeds.






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Israel is just one thing,

Israel is a major thing, and I never said it was the only thing, I only take exception to your assertion that it's not a contributor at all. Whenever you claim that you lose all credibility on this issue. Osama bin Laden listed as his grievances:

1) Support for Israel
2) Presence of American troops in Saudi Arabia
3) Sanctions against Iraq

We no longer have troops in Saudi Arabia and we didn't have troops there before 1991. We no longer have sanctions on Iraq and we didn't have sanction on Iraq before 1991. However, the one constant over the last 65 years has been our support for Israel, which since 1967 has been blind and uncritical.

I once saw an Arab, Ivy League educated, westernized journalist on a political talk show say that Osama bin Laden champions the Palestinian cause because he knows it's the one issue that resonates even with secular Arabs like him who despise bin Laden and everything else he stands for. It resonates with Arabs like John Sununu who in 1988 angered AIPAC when he was the only governor of a U.S. state not to call for repeal of the UN General Assembly Resolution 3379 which defined Zionism as racism. It resonates with Arabs like Darrell Issa who was the only U.S. Congressman to visit Lebanon during the 2006 Israel-Hezbollah War, has called Israel an apartheid state and who was once the victim of an assassination attempt by the Jewish Defense League. And it resonates with Arabs like George Mitchell who quit his job as Obama's envoy to the Mideast when he realized that Obama would never let him put pressure on Israel. None of Al Qaeda's other objectives have any broad resonance whioh explains why their candidates do so poorly whenever they run in elections. The vast majority of Arabs/Muslims have no interest in living under 7th century Islam.
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but if we didn't support Israel 9/11 would have happened

You don't know that, all you're doing is engaging in idle specualtion and conjecture. Without our support for Israel, it becomes harder for Al Qaeda to recruit and there's no denying that.
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You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

And you're a Likud-sympathizing, Israel-firster trying to justify and rationalize America's support for an apartheid state.






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The Palestinians are pawns used by Arab oil sheiks. If Saudi Arabia really cared about tem they certainly have the funds to give them to improve their society. But just as Arafat's beard was kept short to appear to be a poor refugee (stubble), the Saudis don't give a crap about them. Easier to use them for show to fight the Israelis.





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Putting aside that the place and people Philistines and Philistia are mentioned more than 250 times in the Hebrew Bible, it is also mentioned continuously in other sources for thepast 14,000 years.
So where are modern day Judea and Samaria? Those places are referenced in the Bible as well? Why aren't the residents of those regions referred to as Judeans and Samaritans instead of Palestinians? The terms are more accurate.

Your entire argument is based on some arbitrary lines drawn on a map as of a specific date. The specific date is the only thing that separates your map from all others. You recognize changes in those arbitrary lines at other locations after your specific date in history. That is what makes your prejudice so obvious. You have argued for different rules applying to one country than you have allowed other countries.






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re: Why "occupied Palestine"? We don't call Mexico "occupied Aztec territory"?


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The Palestinians are pawns used by Arab oil sheiks. If Saudi Arabia really cared about tem they certainly have the funds to give them to improve their society. But just as Arafat's beard was kept short to appear to be a poor refugee (stubble), the Saudis don't give a crap about them. Easier to use them for show to fight the Israelis.

More bullshite! If the Saudis didn't care, they wouldn't have ever bothered to put the 2002 peace plan together which Israel tossed aside like toilet paper, proving how insencere the Likudniks are about peace. Furthermore, there would have never been the oil embargos of the 1967 and 1973 which caused a great deal of pain for the Saudis and other gulf states. Governments don't inflict that much pain on themselves for issues they don't care about.






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CarrolltonTiger

Seems to think we should off all of the Jews.

Why does this guy hate the Jews so much? There has to be something behind all the hate.






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