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here are the problems in a nutshell:
Too many parents feel like when their kid is on school time, the school/coach is responsible for their kid. So the thought is when kids are not with coaches they fall through the cracks because parents arent paying attention to them anyway, the kids have too much idle time and they get into trouble. These entitlement attitudes in society have created a responsibility shift from parents to coaches during the season as well as in the offseason. This allows undue influence over kids and over emphasizes athletics and winning over appropriate academic and social standards.

The school boards realized all of this was happening and then principals pushed the LHSAA to relax off season training rules for student athletes and coaches. The theory is, if kids are kept busy with organized team sports, they wont get into trouble.

When I graduated years ago, HS coaches could not have organized practice during the offseason and we didnt really see our coaches until the official start day of a sport. The first loop hole was organized offseason weight and conditioning training. Then the senior "volunteer" workouts came about without the coaches. Then the team camps and summer leagues blew up with the HS coaches. Next thing you know, aggressive HS coaches are with kids year round. If your HS coach is an old school type that doesnt believe in getting involved with kids in the offseason or he/she is a burnout that isnt motivated to be involved with kids in the offseason then the HS program suffers, the best players are feasted on by other aggressive coaches and the program falls apart. Programs that fall apart have coaches that get fired and are replaced by coaches that are involved with their kids in the offseason.

In the background of this, AAU basketball, Select baseball and 7 on 7 football has exploded because HS coaches are either helping organize teams and putting trusted private people/parents in charge or they are coaching the kids themselves. There is a lot of money to be made with individual instruction and team tournaments. The shoe and equipment companies started throwing stupid money into the mix and things got really bad. The effect is there is direct athletic influence on kids from all sorts of different angles 12 mos out of the year with often mixed results.

So the 12 months influence is embraced by certain HS coaches and utilized to their advantage. They have direct contact with kids face to face or through individual instruction coaches/parents/AAU-select coaches etc. The School Boards are powerless to stop the outside influence and manipulation of the system because most of it happens off of school grounds. They dont really want it to stop because the kids are kept busy and off the streets which theoretically keeps them out of trouble.

Now the LHSAA can get involved but they have their own problems. To start an investigation, a principal must file a formal complaint. Few principals are going to do that because they dont want scrutiny themselves and their own program and they dont want to burn bridges with other schools and principals. So the only investigations that are started are usually blatant violations that are very public.

The LHSAA investigation office is woefully understaffed and this hinders their ability to follow up on complaints. Couple that with a deep distrust of the investigation office because the rules of the LHSAA are very specific but the interpretation of the rules and the enforcement of the rules by the Commissioner/Exec Committee has been very uneven to say the least.

So coaches have basically unfettered access to kids year round if they want it. They can use parents or select type coaches to their advantage as well to manipulate kids. The recruiting/eligibility rules are not readily enforced so there is little risk to cheating. This creates an environment that allows cheating or at the very least creates a way to build an athletic powerhouse.

So how do you fix it? You really dont fix it all but you can fix some of it.

Eliminate the current rules regarding transfers and put in more simplified rules.

If you transfer from one school to another within a certain radius, you are ineligible for varsity sports for 365 days.

Create a simplified appeals process for the transfer rule.

Put in much more concrete rules regarding coach contact time like the NCAA has that prevents coaches from practicing during the school day and practicing during the off season

Dedicate more financial resources to the Investigation Office that allows a more open process for filing and investigating complaints.

Create a system that allows a school to play up in each sport as high as they want to.

Implement a better enrollment multiplier system for non-traditional schools that creates a more realistic bi-annual realignment system.

Eliminate districts all together. Schools can play whomever they want to play and the playoff brackets in all sports are decided by power points.


If there is a split, the most logical split is North/South and not public/private. That is where the real problems are. In the Northern part of the state there are more Community schools with firm school zones and very little private school option in place. In the South we have a plethora of magnets, academies, charters, lab schools, privates and public schools under the same set of rules. So the LHSAA is trying to manage a system for all of the various types of schools and it doesnt really work. The proposed solution is to minimize the power of the private schools by creating a separate state championship for them. This will have massive unintended consequences because the powers that be in the South are connected to private schools.






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Florida might have something right in that they split their small classification but not their larger ones...





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I think a lot of people do not realize that the select and non select schools can still play one another. The select and non select schools will still be in districts together. They will only split when it comes to playoffs.





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No if it passes the select schools would leave, just we domt know if the well take some publiv schools with them.





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They will only split when it comes to playoffs.


Everybody gets a trophy mentality.






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ToulatownTiger
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Until he turns 19

Rethink this statement. If you get held back one time in first grade, and have an early bday you lose entire senior year.






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And i hate that dumbass principals took away baseball practice time. Have three full weeks of practice before games. And at least 5 of those days will be lost to weather. Arm injuries will be on the rise in La





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If you transfer from one school to another within a certain radius, you are ineligible for varsity sports for 365 days.


This is too much IMO. I think the rule should be like in California, except actually a bit longer. I think it should be 45 days from the transfer period, that way a kid cant change to the winning team right before the playoffs start, but a year is too much. Having personal knowledge of the issues involved with having to sit out a whole year, it is the kids who miss out more than the programs. If a program is worth it's salt, it will be fine without that kid, and the program will go on. But if a kid has a legitimate reason to transfer, he is definitely punished by this.






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LHSAA--Anybody heard any rumors about the LHSAA Executive Director's job?
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They will only split when it comes to playoffs.


Everybody gets a trophy mentality.





No everyone need gates from privates....






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They will only split when it comes to playoffs.


This is silly because if a private school league started the public schools would beg to let them play the private league during the regular season anyway because of the gates. Therefore it doesn't make any sense to stay in the LHSAA and pay their over priced dues (for what you get in return).






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LHSAA--Anybody heard any rumors about the LHSAA Executive Director's job?
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Until he turns 19

Rethink this statement. If you get held back one time in first grade, and have an early bday you lose entire senior year.




Where holdbacks are prevalent parents feel they HAVE TO HOLD BACK so their kid can even make the team...

Maybe start the eligibility clock when they start school.

There is a big reason the publics don't want to split the regular season....$

The privates(and public selects) with rare exceptions have much bigger followings.

The big problems is that the lhsaa let recruiting and daddy based or fake tuition help get way out of control but cant enforce it. There might as well be no recruiting rules...

If any of you or naive enough to think the privates cant flourish on their own..you might be in for a surprise

And who will get the dome? Cant play 7 or 8 games there on a weekend....

Hey I can see for miles. That first round game against st aug next year should be something else!






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Maybe start the eligibility clock when they start school.


They can't enforce that, especially if they pass the rule to keep schools from being able to use junior high kids in competition. IMO if you tell a school they can't use 7th and 8th graders for varsity, especially considering many schools 3A and below wouldn't be able to field full teams in non-football sports, the LHSAA shouldn't be able to tell you what your middle and high school kids can do. They shouldn't be able to legislate kids that they won't allow to play varsity anyway.






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I haven't followed this story at all, and I'm lacking in the area of raw intelligence, so can someone explain in layman's terms what this proposition (if passed) would essentially mean?








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My suggestion is Ineligible from varsity play for 365 days but not from being on the team and practicing or playing JV. Currently they are intelligible for 365 and they can't play jv either. That is too much.

Also simplify the appeals process to hear legit hardship cases






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I haven't followed this story at all, and I'm lacking in the area of raw intelligence, so can someone explain in layman's terms what this proposition (if passed) would essentially mean?


Basically, a few lazy public school coaches, who instead of working harder, decided that separating the public and private schools in the post season would be easier. Also, to add insult to injury, they want to put schools which range in around 100 to over 1300+ into just 2 divisions to screw over the private schools even more. The vote is this week, and there is a lot of support from small public schools which may actually get this thing passed.

The question is why on earth would private schools continue to pay to be in the LHSAA and deal with this stuff every 8 years or so, especially if they can create their own league with rules that benefit private schools?






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My suggestion is Ineligible from varsity play for 365 days but not from being on the team and practicing or playing JV. Currently they are intelligible for 365 and they can't play jv either. That is too much.

Also simplify the appeals process to hear legit hardship cases



Yes, it is ridiculous to not be able to compete JV, but my contention is 45 days is enough. It almost guarantees that a specific season is over by the time the student is eligible, or at least very late in the season when the team has either qualified for the playoffs or not. Like I said earlier, California is only a 30 day wait.






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GhostofJackson



Thanks. So it would be the same as we usually see during the season, but the playoffs would be structured differently? 4 brackets, split by size and private/public? Where would the cut off be in terms of size (ie, is 3A grouped with smaller or larger schools)?






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(ie, is 3A grouped with smaller or larger schools)?


3a-4a-5a together....

1a-2a together...

neither of which is remotely fair.






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4 brackets, split by size and private/public? Where would the cut off be in terms of size (ie, is 3A grouped with smaller or larger schools)?


No, 7 brackets, which is part of the problem. The public schools want to maintain the 5 classes for publics but stuff the privates into 2. 1a and 2a and then 3a, 4a, and 5a together. Insane. One of the issues is that the proposal is so poorly thought out, 1a wouldn't even have enough schools to fill the playoffs. Everyone would get in!






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If the private schools broke off, what I would like to see is what Ohio is doing/use to do where it isn't based on total pop of a school, but each gender. I could live with 3 divisions in private school with something along the lines an equal amount of teams in each division based on gender numbers. Would it take a little more work? Maybe a little, but not really.





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