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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 2/25/14 at 2:48 pm to SoGaFan
Posted on 2/25/14 at 2:48 pm to SoGaFan
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What has always made me wonder about Jamie is the passage in the book, where Jon thinks that Jamie looks like a king should. Have often wondered if they was just a set up to contrast with what Jamie is, or if they will come back at some point.
I thought that was an interesting observation as well. I always think about the conversation he had with Tywin in season 1, when Tywin tells him "I need you to become the man you were always meant to be. Not next year, not tomorrow...now." Jaime has gradually started to become the man he was meant to be, but not by Tywin's definition. I think Jaime would be great at ruling but it's something he's never desired. He's never wanted to play the game like Tywin, Cersei, or Tyrion.
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 2:52 pm to SoGaFan
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What has always made me wonder about Jamie is the passage in the book, where Jon thinks that Jamie looks like a king should. Have often wondered if they was just a set up to contrast with what Jamie is, or if they will come back at some point.
Personally I think Jon and Jaime may be going on somewhat of an inverse parallel journey.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 3:17 pm to Finkle is Einhorn
I respect the theories about Jamie and Cersei being that this is the Crackpot, but I cannot disagree more. I feel like the R+L=JS business has made everyone hypersensitive to every word chosen. I won't go into a lengthy explanation but I will point to two main issues. The first is that if everyone's parentage can be questioned then the entire series sits on thin ice. The whole point of the series is the Song of Ice and Fire, the trials and tribulations that a kingdom faces because of the upheavals of the noble families and the forces of good and evil and not-so evil. The parentage of Jon Snow is the most theorized piece of information in the entire series. The idea that Martin would pull this trick twice is just so unlikely that I can't entertain it. I don't count Faegon because he is an ancillary character for Varys' plots. While we all pretty much agree of his false parentage, its not central to the story. We don't know him like we know Jon and while we know Jamie and Cersei, they are on a different journey in the story. Their story revolves around their family dynamic being strung together against their will, unlike the Starks who have been torn apart.
Which brings me to my second point, family. What is the point of all of these insights into the Lannister family if there is no Lannister family?!?!?! Why would the book and the show waste so much time on Tywin's interactions with his children? Why spend so much time having his children try to think like him and analyze how he thinks? To show Tywin as a pivotal figure in Westeros? To act as one of the greatest modern day red herrings in all of literature? The drama of the Lannisters comes from their familial connection, because they are so alike.
Oh, and bonus third point, blonde hair does not equal Valyrian gold/white/platinum.
Which brings me to my second point, family. What is the point of all of these insights into the Lannister family if there is no Lannister family?!?!?! Why would the book and the show waste so much time on Tywin's interactions with his children? Why spend so much time having his children try to think like him and analyze how he thinks? To show Tywin as a pivotal figure in Westeros? To act as one of the greatest modern day red herrings in all of literature? The drama of the Lannisters comes from their familial connection, because they are so alike.
Oh, and bonus third point, blonde hair does not equal Valyrian gold/white/platinum.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 3:51 pm to Papercutninja
No problem with dissenting POV at all...but
You state this as if it were a fact.
I think it would be ironic, at least. Defending a family name that is already on its last leg.
Well, two real short ones, anyway.
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The whole point of the series is the Song of Ice and Fire, the trials and tribulations that a kingdom faces because of the upheavals of the noble families and the forces of good and evil and not-so evil.
You state this as if it were a fact.
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What is the point of all of these insights into the Lannister family if there is no Lannister family?!?!?! Why would the book and the show waste so much time on Tywin's interactions with his children? Why spend so much time having his children try to think like him and analyze how he thinks?
I think it would be ironic, at least. Defending a family name that is already on its last leg.
Well, two real short ones, anyway.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 4:02 pm to 19
I don't believe in the Aerys baby daddy theory either. Why? Because he couldn't get it up unless someone died/was burned. Plus, I think that Tywin would have raised his own rebellion. I mean, do people honestly think that Tywin Lannister would not know if Aery fricked his own wife/first cousin. Yeah, Lannisters are some incestuous assholes too.
Got to say can't wait to see some soggy eyed Hodors after the first wave attack on Castle Black.
Got to say can't wait to see some soggy eyed Hodors after the first wave attack on Castle Black.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 4:19 pm to thatguy1892
Ygritte's death should provide a good juxtaposition for Joffery's
Posted on 2/25/14 at 4:26 pm to Papercutninja
I can understand people not liking the theory, since I go between liking and disliking it simultaneously. Yeah, I don't want there to be a ton of secret Targaryens, but I think it would work well in Jaime's case.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 6:07 pm to OMLandshark
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Personally I think Jon and Jaime may be going on somewhat of an inverse parallel journey.
Elaborate.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 7:33 pm to ladytiger118
Some of all experts help me out with this.
If Aegon is still alive how would he be kin to Prince Doran? Uncle-Nephew?
Do Doran, Elia, Oberyn have different fathers? Doran and Oberyn are halfbrothers while Oberyn & Elia have the same parents, I think.
Is he not counting the child/children that died young, when he said this?
"If the gods were cruel, they would have made me my mother's firstborn, and Doran her third"
If Aegon is still alive how would he be kin to Prince Doran? Uncle-Nephew?
Do Doran, Elia, Oberyn have different fathers? Doran and Oberyn are halfbrothers while Oberyn & Elia have the same parents, I think.
Is he not counting the child/children that died young, when he said this?
"If the gods were cruel, they would have made me my mother's firstborn, and Doran her third"
Posted on 2/25/14 at 8:06 pm to TigerintheNO
Aegon is/would be his nephew. Oberyn is the youngest.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 9:52 pm to TigerintheNO
Faegon would be his nephew and I believe Doran, Elia, and Oberyn all have the same set of parents; Doran is a good 8-10 years older than Elia and Oberyn who were only 1-2 years apart (which also explains why they were really close growing up).
Posted on 2/26/14 at 12:57 am to Finkle is Einhorn
quote:I do. I cannot remember who said it to Jaime, but someone blatantly said it to him, that he was not Tywins son or something like that. He took it as not acting like Tywin. But i think it was literal. I think Aerys raped Joanna and she kept it quiet to avoid full scale war.
Speaking of Lannisters, does anybody subscribe to the theory that Cersei and Jamie are the children of Aerys Targaryen?
I think it will be revieled that Jaime and Cersei are Targaryan Bastards and Tyrion is Tywin's only true born child. Talk about a kick in the pants.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 1:07 am
Posted on 2/26/14 at 8:45 am to The Dude Abides
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I do. I cannot remember who said it to Jaime, but someone blatantly said it to him, that he was not Tywins son or something like that. He took it as not acting like Tywin. But i think it was literal. I think Aerys raped Joanna and she kept it quiet to avoid full scale war.
I think it will be revieled that Jaime and Cersei are Targaryan Bastards and Tyrion is Tywin's only true born child. Talk about a kick in the pants.
Genna Lannister when she told Jaime in AFFC that Tyrion was Tywin's son, not Jaime.
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“How could I not love him, after that? That is not to say that I approved of all he did, or much enjoyed the company of the man that he became... but every little girl needs a big brother to protect her. Tywin was big even when he was little.” She gave a sigh. “Who will protect us now?”
Jaime kissed her cheek. “He left a son.”
“Aye, he did. That is what I fear the most, in truth.”
That was a queer remark. “Why should you fear?”
“Jaime,” she said, tugging on his ear, “sweetling, I have known you since you were a babe at Joanna’s breast. You smile like Gerion and fight like Tyg, and there’s some of Kevan in you, else you would not wear that cloak... but Tyrion is Tywin’s son, not you. I said so once to your father’s face, and he would not speak to me for half a year. Men are such thundering great fools. Even the sort who come along once in a thousand years.”
You know what else would be great? Assuming Tysha is the Sailor's Wife and Lanna is her daughter with Tyrion, Lanna, the highborn/trueborn whore, would inherit Casterly Rock.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 8:48 am to The Dude Abides
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I do. I cannot remember who said it to Jaime, but someone blatantly said it to him, that he was not Tywins son or something like that. He took it as not acting like Tywin. But i think it was literal. I think Aerys raped Joanna and she kept it quiet to avoid full scale war.
I think that was his aunt that was married to the Frey at the siege of River Run. She doesn't say that he is not Tywins son, but that Tyrion had was more Tywins' son than he was.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:14 am to i drink the kool aid
Agreed, but her quote does make me wonder some things. I definitely think that Tyrion has Tywin's nature though and may end up becoming cruel like him, and he's been heading down a dark path since the end of ASoS.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:28 am to ladytiger118
Tyrion still has a good heart, tough to change that even after all the shite hes been through.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:54 am to Cosmo
Did you see that there's a fricking Daario Naharis Season 4 poster but Stannis the Mannis has none?? Once again, David and Dan are hating on Stannis. 
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:10 pm to ladytiger118
I think we can lock it up that Tysha= the sailors wife. The refusal of pre marital sex, becoming a whore...
And where do whores go?
Pleasure houses in Essos, of course.
And Lanna Lannister is highborn. If she inherits the rock, imagine the Gs emanating from Tywin's grave. Reap whatcha sew, baby
And where do whores go?
Pleasure houses in Essos, of course.
And Lanna Lannister is highborn. If she inherits the rock, imagine the Gs emanating from Tywin's grave. Reap whatcha sew, baby
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:13 pm to 19
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Pleasure houses in Essos, of course.
And Lanna Lannister is highborn. If she inherits the rock, imagine the Gs emanating from Tywin's grave. Reap whatcha sew, baby
It would serve Tywin right for a whore to inherit CR.
He'll be rolling in his grave and I wouldn't put it past GRRM for Lanna to inherit it. Also do you buy the theory that Littlefinger knows where Tysha is and will present her to annul the Sansa Tyrion marriage?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:33 pm to ladytiger118
The child of the very same whore he created, I might add.
It's possible LF knows Tysha's location, but since the marriage was never consummated, wouldn't annulment be a moot point?
It's possible LF knows Tysha's location, but since the marriage was never consummated, wouldn't annulment be a moot point?
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