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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS

Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:41 pm to
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:41 pm to
Yeah it would be moot...but technically if he could produce Tysha he could have more to back up his claim that Tyrion is still married to Tysha. The real question is if Sansa remains a virgin though. I don't see this Harry marriage working out.
Posted by TigerintheNO
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:11 pm to
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I think we can lock it up that Tysha= the sailors wife. The refusal of pre marital sex, becoming a whore...


But which Lannister was she married to, Gerion or Tyrion?
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:19 pm to
Lanna is Tysha and Tyrion's child more than likely except no one can expose this except one person, Penny.

Littlefinger said to Sansa, "Tell me. . . did your little lord husband enjoy my jousting dwarves?"

"Yours?", said Sansa.

"I had to send to Braavos for them and hide them away in a brothel until the wedding."

Now we know Penny came from Bravos before she went to Kings Landing and Joffereys wedding. Tyrion's hasn't mentioned Tysha to Penny yet but maybe she would be a device to expose Tysha's whereabouts and answer "where do whores go?"... a whore house of course
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:32 pm to
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answer "where do whores go?"... a whore house of course

Hopefully that question gets answered in the first Tyrion chapter of TWoW. It was painful to read him asking that every other page in his chapters.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:54 pm to
The problem is that Gerion's bastard daughter is 11, and the Sailor's daughter is 14.
Posted by 19
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:07 pm to
You said it -

Gerions is a bastard

Tyrion's is highborn.

It's not impossible for an 11 yr old to pass for 14 - esp a girl, if these 2 are the same person. I don't see it myself, but...
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:29 pm to
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It's not impossible for an 11 yr old to pass for 14 - esp a girl, if these 2 are the same person. I don't see it myself, but...


According to Jaime though, Joy remembers her father. I don't think Gerion has been gone all that long. Maybe 5 years since the start of the series. No way she'd be able to remember him if he left on her birth.
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:32 pm to
Timeline-wise it makes more sense for Lanna to be Tyrion's daughter than Gerion's. Gerion's bastard daughter Joy is 11 and lives in CR; plus Gerion didn't go missing until 292.

Lanna is 14, has the Lannister blonde hair, and very well could be/is Tyrion's true-born daughter with Tysha. I'm not sure how/if George is going to confirm that theory, but I don't see why not. What's the point of including that in the story if it's not going to have any significance later on (especially with the inheritance of CR).
Posted by 19
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:55 pm to
So would Tyrion's daughter inherit the rock before Cersei?
Does it go first male heir to his children, if none then to second male heir and children BEFORE an older (in between) sister?

I think that's the Andal succession line, IIRC.
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:59 pm to
There's no way that Cersei and her 2 remaining children live long enough to inherit CR.

I think Lanna would inherit before Cersei, but I'm not 100% certain, especially since Cersei's kids were with Jaime, but Jaime can't inherit either due to his Kingsguard vows. And since Tommen and Myrcella are bastards, they can't inherit. So the inheritance would be Tyrion--Lanna--Cersei, I think. And if the "Cersei and Jaime are Aerys's bastards" box is opened, then it would just be Tyrion--Lanna.
Posted by 19
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:50 pm to
Yes I agree - Cersei and her brood have no claim, as long as a male heir or his children live, even if she is older than Tyrion.

With Tyrion on the lam and Kevan dead, Jaime honor bound...it may go to Lancel. Yuk.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:55 pm to
So does anyone think that regardless of Jaime's birth that it's not Crackpot that Jaime joins Aegon? I think Cersei is about to resume power and be even worse and more neurotic than before, and will lack any of the subtlety that she had in the first place. The Boltons will fall near the very beginning of the novel, Dorne will declare for Aegon the second they hear of Quentyn's fate, the Vale is no way in hell going to join them, most the Freys hostages will be taken by the BwoB when they transfer them to King's Landing, the Freys in Riverrun will likely be killed off really soon (and the ones at the Twins not far behind), and the Reach will be in chaos with Euron invading them, not to mention Dany over the Narrow Sea.

I think Jaime will realize that the Lannisters are absolutely screwed sooner rather than later. Jaime won't care about his own or his siblings lives, but he does care about Tommen and knows for certain he'll be killed if one of the other kings or queens is successful in sacking King's Landing, not to mention what Cersei will do with Tommen. Jaime will see Aegon as his second chance at redemption, and seek to join his cause, under the terms that Tommen be spared and granted Casterly Rock as his seat. Aegon will agree to the terms, so long as Tommen himself surrenders, in order to make sure this sacking of King's Landing is not as horrible as the first with "Heroes not killing children."

The battle strategy's first line of action is to get the innocents out of the Red Keep, like Margeary, Mace, and Tommen, and then for the Tyrell men to open the gates of King's Landing for Aegon's army to enter almost completely unopposed. Varys will succeed at this, except for getting Tommen out who is guarded at all times by Ser Robert Strong. Jaime realizes then that he himself must go after Tommen since no one but the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard could possibly separate Tommen from UnGregor and Cersei.

As Varys is leading Jaime through the secret passages, Varys taunts Jaime about history repeating himself, and how Varys himself is the hero in this story who actually saved the baby and heir to the Kingdom, while Jaime merely taunted Ned Stark from the Iron Throne. Jaime corrects him saying he slew the Pyromancer who would light the city on fire killing them all, which Varys replies he already had it under control. Varys says that regardless of how this turns out, that Jaime will still be the most despised man in the Seven Kingdoms next to his own brother for betraying his kin and king to Aegon. Jaime will then enter the Red Keep, find Cersei on the Iron Throne with a dead Tommen in front of him, and then basically everything I said in my previous post will come to pass.


So Crackpot, or plausible?
Posted by ZenFNmaster
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 5:02 pm to
I dunno how plausible, but it reads alot like fanfic.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 5:03 pm to
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I dunno how plausible, but it reads alot like fanfic.



Probably so since I didn't put that much thought into it and wrote that in 5 minutes. May be a bit better if I put a few weeks' thought into it.
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 5:23 pm to
I just don't see Cercei regaining power. Not saying it's not possible but I think it's highly unlikely that she does. Zombie Mountain could beat Zombie Hound but I think it's fulfills the Clegane's story if Zombie Hound kills Zombie mountain for what he done to his face. That or they kill each other much like Mountain vs Red Viper.

Anyway, regardless of the twins parentage or Cercei's plight I'm not sure who Jamie will side with. That's a ton of speculating to even get to that. First he has to get through his arc with Brianne and LS
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 5:27 pm to
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I just don't see Cercei regaining power. Not saying it's not possible but I think it's highly unlikely that she does. Zombie Mountain could beat Zombie Hound but I think it's fulfills the Clegane's story if Zombie Hound kills Zombie mountain for what he done to his face. That or they kill each other much like Mountain vs Red Viper.


How is Sandor the Gravedigger a zombie??
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 5:33 pm to
Anybody see House Starks fb post? It's a pic of Viserys getting his golden crown with the headline "he was no real dragon, fire cannot kill a real dragon".

This is what I was talking about a few pages back about how the show has made everybody soooo confused into thinking that Targs can't be burned
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 5:35 pm to
Well he's supposed to be dead. Even though technically if he's the Gravedigger that doesn't mean he'd be brought back to life. Honestly all that is getting a little out of hand. Wish some people in the series would die and stay dead. How many characters has GRRM tried to trick the reader into thinking they were dead? After so many it's not really shocking anymore
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 5:39 pm to
Sandor's main purpose now is 1) Kill UnGregor 2) Get the Little Bird
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 5:40 pm to
I just saw that too in my newsfeed...I hate how the show did that as well. GRRM has repeatedly stated that Dany and her dragons was a once-in-a-lifetime magical occurrence. Didn't she burn her hands in ADWD?
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