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I didn't think Maggie the Frog's discussion with young Cersi would have put her family on a friendly basis with the Lannsters.





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Cersei never told anyone else about it. She even pushed the girl who was with her into a well so she couldn't tell.





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She even pushed the girl who was with her into a well so she couldn't tell.


I think Cersei's character is a grown up version of the psychotic child from the very macabre play "The Bad Seed".






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I didn't think Maggie the Frog's discussion with young Cersi would have put her family on a friendly basis with the Lannsters.


They were minor banners under the Lannisters. Many in the area were aware of their "powers", obviously including Cersei. It is precisely within character for Tywin to work a deal for greater land and titles with them in return for espionage...moon tea and love potions.

In fact we know for a fact he worked a deal for the moon tea...






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AKA Maggy the Frog who gave Cersei her Valonqar prophecy


This was my first thought when they said she was a Maege too. I don't think the Westerling/Lannister story has yet been fully revealed.






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To me, the importance of that whole thing is to show that you'd better have more than just an army to take down Tywin Lannister. He is a master of political maneuverings.

Or, you could just catch him on the toilet.






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Or, you could just catch him on the toilet.


As it turns out, not the best way to procure gold.






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Thanks to the power going out at work and the storm keeping all customers away...I was able to get a LARGE chunk of this thread down.

So on with the notes:
Jon, Dany, etc will drive the others back and save Westeros...but then Jon dies(again), Dany has a kid and dies in childbirth, final scene is a description of the baby's eyes-one purple, one pale blue (207)
Arya will kill Robert Strong (207) [who won't Arya kill?]
Jaime is bizzaro Eddard; neither are very ambitious but are almost polar opposites in every way + description about Jaime's honor (207, 208, and 216)
Jon will warg into Ghost and not regain human form (209)
Jon will only temporarily warg into Ghost, until he is reborn as AA (210)
Jon will become a lycan able to transform into a wolf at anytime [...what] (209)
Theon is AA! (209)
Theon has king's blood since his father claimed to be king...could lead to something (210)
Theon becomes Jaime's right hand and wields Lightbringer (210) [...I don't even]
Theon will definitely redeem himself to his "real" family before he dies (210)
Argument about whether Theon is selfish and undeserving of redemption or a very pitiable character that deserves some redemption (211-213)
Brans first Green Dream in GOT featured Sandor, the Red Viper, and Gregor...except Gregor was headless (214)
The skull sent to Dorne wasn't Gregor's but actually Mag the Mighty's which Jon sent to King's Landing after the first wildling assault (214)
Sansa will poison Littlefinger once she pieces together that he betrayed Ned (215)
Tyrion survives dragons, greyscale, war, a slash to face, etc, but will die in the last chapter when he is murdered by a whore (215)
Ramsey sacked Winterfell without any outside input because he wanted to appease his dad (216)
Ramsey is bizarro Jon Snow (216)
Littlefinger is an agent of the Iron Bank (218, 220)
Littlefingers ambitions are argues some more (218)
My first post in the thread...a monumental occasion (218)
Hotah is going to ax rape Darkstar (219)
OMLandshark's breakdown of the final alliances iho (219)
Arya kills every Lannister, Frey, Bolton, Pycelle, Littlefinger, and Varys (219) [seriously, who doesn't she kill?]
Littlefinger represents America! (220)
Darkstar is the bastard of Ashara Dayne and King Aerys (221) [repeat?]
Benjen returns leading the others (222) [repeat?]
Coldhands is the Night King and possibly Bran the Builder (222)
Ned Stark's mother is never really mentioned...is Ned reverse Jesus? (223)
LoveThatMoney will write a book about Sothoros (224)
A Stark must always be in Winterfell to combat the Night King should he ever return (224)
Coldhands is not the Night King but the Night King's son. The Night King sexed up an Other (225)
Winter will save the 7 Kingdoms somehow (225) [yeah, it could unite the remaining houses once the actual threat is realized]
CoTF were responsible for the Other's leaving the lands of always winter. Because of this, they felt guilty and gifted the yearly supplies of Dragonglass to the First Men and eventually the Nights Watch. (225-226)
Bloodraven isn't evil, just misunderstood. Similar to the popular accounts of Tyrion being evil and Jaime having no shred of honor. (226)
Kashonly is an idiot (various pages)
Valyria = Atlantis or Pompeii (various pages)
Reeds= interbreeding between CoTF and the First Men; Starks have CoTF inbreeding in their bloodline as well (228-229)
More Jojen is Howland (230)
Benjen knows R+L=J and will reveal it...somehow (231)
Lord Manerly's pie is people! (231) [no shit, Sherlock]
When winter comes, Stark's have the ability to rise from the crypt of Winterfell to fight the Others...Ned or Lyanna reveals R+L=J (231)
Stark's can't rise from the crypt every winter or people would remember, but perhaps there is a failsafe in the wall that if it falls, the Starks can rise from the crypt (232)
Only a Stark can lead an Other through the Wall-The Night King took an Other woman to the Nightfort south of the Wall. Benjen or Bran? (233)
GRRM is on Tigerdroppings and his recent lack of productivity is due to him being distracted by the other boards on here (234)
Melisandre is the daughter of Bloodraven or Bittersteel and Shiera (236)
Jon will have visionary powers after being reborn as AA, perhaps he will see his parents "in the flames" (240)
unCat learns that R+L=J when the Bw/oB bumps in to Howland Reed or stumbles upon Greywater Watch (241)
The snowmen that Theon observes represent Lord Manderly, Lord Stout, Lady Dustin, and Lord Umber-could be foreshadowing them as Stark Supporters or as Jon Snows future bannermen (249)
Shelly=GRRM (250)
Serella is Alleras the Sphinx in detail (251)
Will a snowstorm weaken a dragons fire more than the rainstorm that weakened Balerions flame during the original conquering? (252)
In The Ice Dragon by GRRM, [SPOILERS] an Ice Dragon defeats 3 fire breathing dragons but dies in the fight...hmm (253)
Desmond Grell and Robin Ryger are headed to the Night's Watch with info from Edmure and possibly Blackfish-could they be telling Jon that he is Robb's named heir? (253)
Hodor! (253 and various pages)
The dragons at Dragonstone were afflicted with Greyscale. Perhaps AA has the ability to cure greyscale. (254)
Greyscale is an invention of the Citadel/Maester's to rid the world of dragons. This would explain why it is really only prevalent near Valyria and Dragonstone. (254)
Meeren and Jon were twins of R+L; Howland took one and Ned took one (254) [Star Wars]
Shelly's list of Northern Lords (255)
The faceless men are more involved in the seven kingdoms, perhaps they had a hand in starting the turmoil (256)
Hodor is a faceless man! (257)
Hodor is some kind of ancient special word (257)
Jon comes back as a super other; prophesied in the House of the Undying (257)
Shelly is either AA or an Other (259)
Rickon will be/is bat shite crazy (260)
A greyscale plague sweeps the land, everyone dies. the end (261)
Comet out of nowhere kills everyone. The end (261)
Viserys wakes up after a long dream and says "you have awoken the dragon" the end (261)
Coldhands is one of the 79 sentinels that were buried in the wall after they were captured as deserters of the Nights Watch (261)
Coldhands is Lord Ryswell who was a father of one of the 79 Sentinels who joined the Nights Watch to be closer to his son (262)
The last book ends with Jon's dying words telling Arya to head North...so she heads to the land of Always Winter and sees Han Solo cutting open a Tauntaun...the end! (263)
Others are the Daleks of ASOIAF [EXTERMINATE!] (263)
Starks make a blood sacrifice to keep Other's away and to end especially long winters (264)
Theon will be sacrificed to resurrect Jon; [possibly regarding needing King's blood to raise a dragon/targ] (264)
Links to Dunk and Egg Novellas (265 and 266)
My first post recapping theories (266)
Hodor=Azor Ahai (266)
The others have a grand plan with Jon and Bran in mind [ie not mindless] (267)
Is the Blackfish gay [notthattheresanythingwrongwiththat] discussion (267+)
Loras and Blackfish become the first LGBT rulers after they get married (267)
Loras poisoned Joffrey for infringing on his rights for gay equality (268)
Blackfish posts on the Soccer Board (269)
Descriptions of the various mystical Horns (270)
List and description of the Valyrian steel blades (270)
People will only find out R+L=J when Jon is dead for good (272)
Thoros will revive Robb w/ Greywinds head [repeat?] (273)

...whew. That was a lot of pages. 200-273 recapped there. Looks like I should easily finish by Friday and hopefully can add page numbers to the earlier theories for reference.



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Glad I could contribute that Shelly is grrm.





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Jon is not only AA but he is dragonborn and will use the Thuum to defeat the others........ Unless he takes an arrow to the knee





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Hotah is going to ax rape Darkstar (219)


It is known.

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Hodor is some kind of ancient special word


HODOR!






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So in my other theory that the Blackfyres work with the Red God...

What if Varys was part of a voluntary sacrifice? He is a Blackfyre and/or a red priest. Maybe the perfumed senechal is Varys because Dany is a Targ and Aegon is a Blackfyre.

Stems back from the Blackfyre Rebellion.

The Sorcerer from the show could have told everyone about the ritual and that is why he took him.






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Maybe the perfumed senechal is Varys


This is who I immediately thought of as the perfumed seneschal as well. And it would make sense for her to beware of him as signs continue to point to him being a Blackfyre and wanting to place Aegon (the Mummer's dragon) on the throne.

I'm not sure on the voluntary sacrifice though. Voluntarily donating your tackle as a sacrifice is alot to ask of a young boy.






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What if Varys was part of a voluntary sacrifice?


I've been wondering this as well...

I was playing around with a theory along the lines of Varys was an infertile Blackfyre, so to keep the line from being extinguished he made this sacrifice in order to magically keep the line intact. If Aegon is a Blackfyre he's too young to be his son considering when he supposedly was cut anyway plus it really doesn't really make sense to how this phenomenon would occur. Maybe this could inspire some more logical theory though.



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So in my other theory that the Blackfyres work with the Red God...



I highly, highly doubt this. Varys hates magic and has good reason to.






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Varys hates magic and has good reason to.


Which raises the question, are the doings of the Red Priests considered magic, like Warlock magic, or is it faith based and thus not considered magic?






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I highly, highly doubt this. Varys hates magic and has good reason to.


It would be more likely that another Blackfyre "volunteered" Varys.






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Ok, jumping all the way to the end (hopefully we'll get there), here's some thoughts:

Martin sometimes seems to like to end his longer works with a epilogue set sometimes after the main events of the story. My theory is that he does that here and here are my crackpot predictions of the epilogue:

1- Epilogue deals with some years after the story wraps up. Maybe Tyrion on his deathbed and his funeral. I'd kind of like to see some variation of a viking funeral or burial pyre but maybe involving the dragons (a flying in the air, dragon fire fueled burial pyre?). Though now that I think of it maybe Danny would be better for that part since she would kind of be adopting a variant of Khal Drogo's Dothraki funeral. Not sure who the POV would be for either scenario though.

2- Epilogue deals with one of the very youngest characters in the main story now being very elderly (maybe Gllly's baby). And being referred to as "Old Fred" (or whatever that character's name is). The old character would be regaling royal/noble children (could include a combination of andal, first men and maybe even Children of the forest kids). The story would be of that horrible winter and darkness, the worst ever experienced. And of how the heroes and heroines ...., ......., ..... and ..... prevailed through much loss and grief.

That's all I got.






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Martin sometimes seems to like to end his longer works


Won't happen because we're going to get Robert Jordan'd. I've accepted this fact.






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